[Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

[Noah]

Andrew,

Please may we stop the divisive posts. The way I see it, the thread was
about a spamming broker. Why then insult an independent unrelated
individual. Perhaps stopping these practices will help the community.

As repeated many times, our emerging, multicultural community requires care
and attention when interacting and dealing with people and above all
collective responsibility.

We have a code of conduct and we expect it to be enforced on the lists and
at meetings by people entitled to do so. We may revise the CoC on the go
with the end goal of no more CoC as everyone behaves correctly.

We will all benefit  from leading by example  and acting as role models
expecially from  those who have served in various leadership positions in
the past.

Noah

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, 16:42 Andrew Alston, <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:


> I would have a major problem with control over who attends the meetings.

>

>

>

> To be frank – meetings are about the community, and if we start deciding

> who can and who can’t attend the meetings – beyond the scope of a code of

> conduct – it’s a dangerous and slippery slope from there.   I mean – I

> believe we are feel to name, shame and shun those who behave in bad

> behavior at meetings if we as individuals do not like their behavior – but

> I do not believe we should prevent attendance.

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>

>

> In the same way – I would not advocate for banning someone like Marcus

> from the meeting who used fake accounts to spew racist garbage on the

> lists.  I would advocate from banning them from the lists, and  I would

> fully support a public shaming and humiliation on the floor of the meeting

> so they get the idea this is a **BAD** idea in future, but – let them

> come to the meeting and face the consequences of their actions

>

>

>

> Andrew

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> *From: *Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>

> *Date: *Sunday, 17 November 2019 at 13:44

> *To: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>, "

> community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>

> *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

>

>

>

> Thanks, Andrew.

>

> Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the interested RIR

> members abide by these rules.

>

> What I see more likely happening is either side finds this opt-in/out

> ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and can control who attends

> the meetings, they'll just sidebar all their meetings in and around the

> conference venue, which we definitely cannot control.

>

> So for me, making sure the community fully understands this at an

> intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal) level is our best defence

> at making sure nobody is duped into doing something they don't understand

> or don't really want to do.

>

> Mark.

>

> On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston wrote:

>

> Personally I have another take on this -

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>

>

> I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so will start

> there.

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>

> I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt in/opt out list

> for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people who wish to promote services

> or give general information about what they are doing etc may be worth

> having.

>

>

>

> This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it’s opt in so

> people who do want to see services on offer by attendees have the option of

> subscribing, and it lets the community market their services to each

> other.  I would have no issue with the existence of such a list.

>

>

>

> Just a thought

>

>

>

> Andrew

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>

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> *From:* Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>

> *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM

> *To:* community-discuss at afrinic.net <community-discuss at afrinic.net>

> <community-discuss at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

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>

>

> I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can be

> easily forged.

>

> I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the community for

> their business is also feasible.

>

> The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with

> sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by the

> glorious promises of engaging with them.

>

> Mark.

>

> On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:

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>

>

> if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not

> welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at

> least stop them from conveying the message to the community ?

>

>

>

>

>

> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*

> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST

> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN

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> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> <owen at delong.com>

> *Sent:* Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM

> *To:* Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>

> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>

> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>

> <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; members-discuss at afrinic.net

> <members-discuss at afrinic.net> <members-discuss at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting

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>

>

> The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with

> them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out

> that you don’t do business with spammers.

>

>

>

> Owen

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> On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>

> wrote:

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> I agree with you on the bad taste.

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>

> Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain

> oneself

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>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>

> On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

>

> Not sure if anyone else has received these...

>

> I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in

> my mouth.

>

> Mark.

>

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> *Subject: *

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> AFRINIC-31 Meeting

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> *Date: *

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> Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000

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> *From: *

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> Lena AFRINIC <lena at breeden-comm.com> <lena at breeden-comm.com>

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> *To: *

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> mark.tinka at seacom.mu

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> Greetings,

>

>

>

> Hope this email finds you well!

>

> I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and

> APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a

> pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration

> regarding IPv4 resources.

>

> We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based

> business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses.

>

> NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any

> questions.

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>

> See you at the event.

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> Kind regards,

>

> Elena Dontu

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