<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Andrew,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please may we stop the divisive posts. The way I see it, the thread was about a spamming broker. Why then insult an independent unrelated individual. Perhaps stopping these practices will help the community.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As repeated many times, our emerging, multicultural community requires care and attention when interacting and dealing with people and above all collective responsibility.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We have a code of conduct and we expect it to be enforced on the lists and at meetings by people entitled to do so. We may revise the CoC on the go with the end goal of no more CoC as everyone behaves correctly.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We will all benefit from leading by example and acting as role models expecially from those who have served in various leadership positions in the past.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noah</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, 16:42 Andrew Alston, <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>To be frank – meetings are about the community, and if we start deciding who can and who can’t attend the meetings – beyond the scope of a code of conduct – it’s a dangerous and slippery slope from
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the same way – I would not advocate for banning someone like Marcus from the meeting who used fake accounts to spew racist garbage on the lists. I would advocate from banning them from the lists,
and I would fully support a public shaming and humiliation on the floor of the meeting so they get the idea this is a *<b>BAD</b>* idea in future, but – let them come to the meeting and face the consequences of their actions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Sunday, 17 November 2019 at 13:44<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Thanks, Andrew.<br>
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Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the interested RIR members abide by these rules.<br>
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What I see more likely happening is either side finds this opt-in/out ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and can control who attends the meetings, they'll just sidebar all their meetings in and around the conference venue, which we definitely cannot
control.<br>
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So for me, making sure the community fully understands this at an intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal) level is our best defence at making sure nobody is duped into doing something they don't understand or don't really want to do.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">Personally I have another take on this -<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so will start there.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt in/opt out list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people who wish to promote services or give general information about what they are doing etc
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it’s opt in so people who do want to see services on offer by attendees have the option of subscribing, and it lets the community market their services to
each other. I would have no issue with the existence of such a list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">Just a thought<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can be easily forged.<br>
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I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the community for their business is also feasible.<br>
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The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by the glorious promises of engaging with them.<br>
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Mark.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at least stop them from conveying the message to the community
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Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Owen DeLong
<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><owen@delong.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Badru Ntege <a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><badru.ntege@nftconsult.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you don’t do business with spammers.
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On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.<br>
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