[Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Fri May 18 11:41:08 UTC 2018

There are many ways to address the issue.

Badges are allocated based on membership size (not that I agree with the 
membership size anyway). Smaller organisations aren’t sending more than one 
person anyway, the bigger the organisation, the bigger the budget so they 
can send more people and get more badges.

To an extent, the membership base and larger community are ultimately 
different. The membership is funding the community. It is no going to work 
if the community demand X but the membership can only afford and prepared to 
pay for Y.

I agree, this is a separate thread and agree that the finance and events 
team should be tasked to look at the expenditure of these events and ways to 
curtail that.

From: Noah [mailto:noah at neo.co.tz]
Sent: 18 May 2018 12:15 PM
To: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; AfriNIC 
Discuss <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western 
Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za 
<mailto:mje at posix.co.za> > wrote:

The AfriNIC meeting is primarily for its membership though the community is 
included - they (the community) are potential (paying) membership. Its 
certainly paid for by its membership and not the (non-membership part of) 
community.

We normally have atleast 3 individuals from my employer who attend both 
AfriNIC meetings and they form part of the membership and community. Same is 
true with most members who send part of their staff to this meetings and 
they form the entire community.

Dont attempt to separate the two please because they are the same.

You don't need to know how AfriNIC works in order to use the Internet.

Your point being...

So can we start seeing AfNOG removing all fees please at their meetings? 
Everyone should be freely (as in - no cost)  allowed to attend the training 
sessions.

This is ridiculous.

The delegates the AfNOG trains are mostly people who work for AfriNIC 
members. My employer does send our staff to AfNOG trainings and some of us 
also volunteer to train and transfer knowledge to delegates who mostly are 
part of the engineering work-force of some AfriNIC member.

So dont talk unless you know what you are taking about.

On 18/05/2018 11:54, Badru Ntege wrote:

Mark

I see we are starting to divide the haves and have nots.  The internet is 
for everyone regardless of how deep your pockets are.

Let’s remember that the big privileged members sell services to the 
community who are the real owners of AfriNIC.

What I see now is these privileged owners wanting to claim ownership and 
saying the poor should not be allowed in.

Africa is not North America  nor is it Europe or Asia.  It’s Africa with its 
unique challenges. Let’s stop these  comparisons.

Regards.

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On 18 May 2018, at 12:36, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za 
<mailto:mje at posix.co.za> > wrote:

On 18/05/2018 11:07, Ben Roberts wrote:

Noah,

So its pointless to have a nomcom in other-words

It may not be pointless to have a nomcom but they certainly can run better 
elections.

NomCom this year had a bad deal. I'm not sure that had NomCom been made up 
of any other people, whether it would have made any difference.
They were aboard the Titanic - they just didn't know it.

AfriNIC will be wasting members money to conduct elections which involves 
facilitating members of nomcom to fly to meetings to conduct elections where 
no candidate is elected.

Yes one of the ways that Afrinic wastes lots of money flying people around. 
This contributes to why our fees are so high compared to other RIRs we are 
in.

Regarding Money and Meetings.

I would like to propose to the community and membership that AfriNIC 
meetings are no longer free to attend - that we introduce a badge fee of 
(say) US$100 in order to acquire the badge. However, I believe Members 
(Registered, Associative and Resource alike) should be provided with free 
tickets (up to two for Resource organisations, otherwise one voucher per 
Registered or Associated) at the time of filling in their advanced 
registration. Sponsors should also get up to two vouchers. Registered 
speakers (and staff) should also get a voucher. If you Register at the event 
or don't have a voucher - you pay the $100.

At Dakar, I noticed a huge amount of well dressed local people - that 
arrived in rooms just before lunch vouchers were issues - and who 
disappeared after lunch. I don't see why AfriNIC should have to feed the 
free-loaders. This would have saved quite a bit.

This was discussed on the Board around 4 to 5 years ago but we thought we 
could manage. I think it now needs to be re-introduced.
I know you have to pay to go to RIPE - and I presume other RIR meetings?

Comments? (Preferably from people who were at the Dakar meeting and who saw 
this happening)

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 May 2018, at 09:41, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz> > 
wrote:

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Ben Roberts <Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com 
<mailto:Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com> > wrote:

All,

The election was run and winner declared. Majority of votes cast to have 
none of the candidates join the board.

So its pointless to have a nomcom in other-words and therefore AfriNIC will 
be wasting members money to conduct elections which involves facilitating 
members of nomcom to fly to meetings to conduct elections where no candidate 
is elected.

Come on folks...

Noah

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