[Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Fri May 18 14:41:56 UTC 2018

Hi Mark,

Let us stick to the subject matter being discussed in this thread. Your digression is not helpful and unnecessary.  A sustained minimum level of intellectual discourse is needed to restore objectivity and hence strengthen the institutions of our community. Let us come out with more constructive contributions than antagonistic insinuations.

Thank you for your understanding,

Marcus

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From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 10:03:56 AM
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

The AfriNIC meeting is primarily for its membership though the community is included - they (the community) are potential (paying) membership. Its certainly paid for by its membership and not the (non-membership part of) community.

You don't need to know how AfriNIC works in order to use the Internet.

So can we start seeing AfNOG removing all fees please at their meetings? Everyone should be freely (as in - no cost)  allowed to attend the training sessions.

On 18/05/2018 11:54, Badru Ntege wrote:
Mark

I see we are starting to divide the haves and have nots.  The internet is for everyone regardless of how deep your pockets are.

Let’s remember that the big privileged members sell services to the community who are the real owners of AfriNIC.

What I see now is these privileged owners wanting to claim ownership and saying the poor should not be allowed in.

Africa is not North America  nor is it Europe or Asia.  It’s Africa with its unique challenges. Let’s stop these  comparisons.

Regards.

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On 18 May 2018, at 12:36, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za<mailto:mje at posix.co.za>> wrote:

On 18/05/2018 11:07, Ben Roberts wrote:
Noah,

So its pointless to have a nomcom in other-words

It may not be pointless to have a nomcom but they certainly can run better elections.

NomCom this year had a bad deal. I'm not sure that had NomCom been made up of any other people, whether it would have made any difference.
They were aboard the Titanic - they just didn't know it.

AfriNIC will be wasting members money to conduct elections which involves facilitating members of nomcom to fly to meetings to conduct elections where no candidate is elected.

Yes one of the ways that Afrinic wastes lots of money flying people around. This contributes to why our fees are so high compared to other RIRs we are in.

Regarding Money and Meetings.

I would like to propose to the community and membership that AfriNIC meetings are no longer free to attend - that we introduce a badge fee of (say) US$100 in order to acquire the badge. However, I believe Members (Registered, Associative and Resource alike) should be provided with free tickets (up to two for Resource organisations, otherwise one voucher per Registered or Associated) at the time of filling in their advanced registration. Sponsors should also get up to two vouchers. Registered speakers (and staff) should also get a voucher. If you Register at the event or don't have a voucher - you pay the $100.

At Dakar, I noticed a huge amount of well dressed local people - that arrived in rooms just before lunch vouchers were issues - and who disappeared after lunch. I don't see why AfriNIC should have to feed the free-loaders. This would have saved quite a bit.

This was discussed on the Board around 4 to 5 years ago but we thought we could manage. I think it now needs to be re-introduced.
I know you have to pay to go to RIPE - and I presume other RIR meetings?

Comments? (Preferably from people who were at the Dakar meeting and who saw this happening)

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On 18 May 2018, at 09:41, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Ben Roberts <Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
All,
The election was run and winner declared. Majority of votes cast to have none of the candidates join the board.

So its pointless to have a nomcom in other-words and therefore AfriNIC will be wasting members money to conduct elections which involves facilitating members of nomcom to fly to meetings to conduct elections where no candidate is elected.

Come on folks...

Noah

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