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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-ZA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There are many ways to address the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Badges are allocated based on membership size (not that I agree with the membership size anyway). Smaller organisations aren’t sending more than one person anyway, the bigger the organisation, the bigger the budget so they can send more people and get more badges.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>To an extent, the membership base and larger community are ultimately different. The membership is funding the community. It is no going to work if the community demand X but the membership can only afford and prepared to pay for Y.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I agree, this is a separate thread and agree that the finance and events team should be tasked to look at the expenditure of these events and ways to curtail that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Noah [mailto:noah@neo.co.tz] <br><b>Sent:</b> 18 May 2018 12:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Elkins <mje@posix.co.za><br><b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AfriNIC Discuss <members-discuss@afrinic.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p>The AfriNIC meeting is primarily for its membership though the community is included - they (the community) are potential (paying) membership. Its certainly paid for by its membership and not the (non-membership part of) community.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>We normally have atleast 3 individuals from my employer who attend both AfriNIC meetings and they form part of the membership and community. Same is true with most members who send part of their staff to this meetings and they form the entire community. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dont attempt to separate the two please because they are the same.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p>You don't need to know how AfriNIC works in order to use the Internet. <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Your point being...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p>So can we start seeing AfNOG removing all fees please at their meetings? Everyone should be freely (as in - no cost) allowed to attend the training sessions.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is ridiculous. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The delegates the AfNOG trains are mostly people who work for AfriNIC members. My employer does send our staff to AfNOG trainings and some of us also volunteer to train and transfer knowledge to delegates who mostly are part of the engineering work-force of some AfriNIC member.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So dont talk unless you know what you are taking about.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 18/05/2018 11:54, Badru Ntege wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Mark <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I see we are starting to divide the haves and have nots. The internet is for everyone regardless of how deep your pockets are. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Let’s remember that the big privileged members sell services to the community who are the real owners of AfriNIC. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What I see now is these privileged owners wanting to claim ownership and saying the poor should not be allowed in. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Africa is not North America nor is it Europe or Asia. It’s Africa with its unique challenges. Let’s stop these comparisons. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Regards. <o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_1276525036994059500AppleMailSignature"><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 18 May 2018, at 12:36, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 18/05/2018 11:07, Ben Roberts wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Noah, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>So its pointless to have a nomcom in other-words</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It may not be pointless to have a nomcom but they certainly can run better elections. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>NomCom this year had a bad deal. I'm not sure that had NomCom been made up of any other people, whether it would have made any difference.<br>They were aboard the Titanic - they just didn't know it.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>AfriNIC will be wasting members money to conduct elections which involves facilitating members of nomcom to fly to meetings to conduct elections where no candidate is elected.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes one of the ways that Afrinic wastes lots of money flying people around. This contributes to why our fees are so high compared to other RIRs we are in. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>Regarding Money and Meetings.<br><br>I would like to propose to the community and membership that AfriNIC meetings are no longer free to attend - that we introduce a badge fee of (say) US$100 in order to acquire the badge. However, I believe Members (Registered, Associative and Resource alike) should be provided with free tickets (up to two for Resource organisations, otherwise one voucher per Registered or Associated) at the time of filling in their advanced registration. Sponsors should also get up to two vouchers. Registered speakers (and staff) should also get a voucher. If you Register at the event or don't have a voucher - you pay the $100. <br><br>At Dakar, I noticed a huge amount of well dressed local people - that arrived in rooms just before lunch vouchers were issues - and who disappeared after lunch. I don't see why AfriNIC should have to feed the free-loaders. This would have saved quite a bit.<br><br>This was discussed on the Board around 4 to 5 years ago but we thought we could manage. I think it now needs to be re-introduced.<br>I know you have to pay to go to RIPE - and I presume other RIR meetings?<br><br>Comments? (Preferably from people who were at the Dakar meeting and who saw this happening)<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id="m_1276525036994059500AppleMailSignature"><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 18 May 2018, at 09:41, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Ben Roberts <<a href="mailto:Ben.Roberts@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Ben.Roberts@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>All, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>The election was run and winner declared. Majority of votes cast to have none of the candidates join the board. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So its pointless to have a nomcom in other-words and therefore AfriNIC will be wasting members money to conduct elections which involves facilitating members of nomcom to fly to meetings to conduct elections where no candidate is elected.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Come on folks...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Noah<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a> Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: <a href="https://ftth.posix.co.za" target="_blank">https://ftth.posix.co.za</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Community-Discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a> Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: <a href="https://ftth.posix.co.za" target="_blank">https://ftth.posix.co.za</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Community-Discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>./noah</b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>