[Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

Thu Jun 21 03:18:33 UTC 2018

Komi

Andrew may be speaking from a personal perspective as opposed to speaking
on behalf of Liquid. Either way I don't think threats at this point are
productive. We need to double back, tone down and find solutions.

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On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Komi Elitcha <kmw.elitcha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ali,
>
> I am also for the right of every participant in this community not to be
> muzzled but not to the detriment of the organisation.
>
> We already have a code of conduct for rpd, community and members list[1]
> that resolves the issue of a distracting participant.  No reason why the
> rulebook cannot be thrown at a member who drags the reputation of the
> organisation in the mud in the name of defending its ideals.
>
> I would also be interested in answers to Janvier's question as the member
> in question happens to be Liquid Telecom.
>
>
>
>
> [1] https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct
>
> Le 20/06/2018 à 15:38, Ali Hussein a écrit :
>
> Komi
>
> All I can say is this:
>
> I may not like what Andrew says but I will defend to the death his right
> to say it ~ Paraphrased from a quote by the French philosopher, Voltaire.
>
> These sort of threats only work in a police state and have no place in a
> community based organization like Afrinic.
>
> Regards
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *AHK & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 20 Jun 2018, at 4:33 PM, Komi Elitcha <kmw.elitcha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello AFRINIC BoD,
>
> Based on what has been going on for a while over the years, with liquid
> telecom an afrinic ressources member engaging in many actions which affect
> afrinic reputation and also expose the organization to legal risks, I want
> to encourage The board to propose a code of conduct for afrinic members.
>
> Failure to comply to this code of conduct by liquid telecom or any other
> members, board shall invoke section 8.2(iii) of the bylaws and terminate
> their membership
>
> 8.2 The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon:
> (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining that the
> Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this
> Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board;
>
>
> Le mar. 19 juin 2018 22:52, Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
>> Dear Andrew,
>> I wonder about your motives that seem inappropriate to me this last
>> couple of months, in such that, with all respect due to you, I wanted to
>> tell you to stop paying your $50k annual fee, and go rent your resources to
>> another RIR.  Afrinic will not died.
>> Please tell here if your statements here and questions engage yourself or
>> your company? Because it is inacceptable that a single member micromanages
>> Afrinic, this is a lack of respect to the Afrinic body.
>> I'm really shocked and got boring with your mails. The CEO should have
>> never replied to it. I am not the one who have to ask you to wait for the
>> financial annual report or the auditor's report at the AGMM to ask these
>> multiple questions.
>> I think you're crossed over the line at this point, do you forget the
>> principle that the CEO reports to the Board, and that the Board reports to
>> members at an AGMM? Where do you come from with the questions on the
>> figures in the mid-year budget and particulary on sponsoring of the Cotonou
>> event?
>> I also see that you're giving yourself too much liberty, to the point of
>> asking ICANN if it is sponsoring the Cotonou event, this is again a lack of
>> respect to the ICANN body.
>> For the sake of the African Internet community, for the sake of the
>> Afrinic members, and this is my recommandation to the Board:  I am
>> requesting  the Board to put you under discipline because of these
>> attitudes that tarnish the image of Afrinic and its members.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Janvier NGNOULAYE
>> Afrinic Member
>> Former Afrinic Board member
>> Yaounde - Cameroon
>>
>>
>> Le mar. 19 juin 2018 à 22:09, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.
>> com> a écrit :
>>
>>> Just wanted to add – did you think I would be embarrassed by you leaking
>>> that? Or attempt to deny it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dude – come on – get real – MANY people on that list that are on that
>>> group – if I was ashamed of that post – well – I wouldn’t have posted it
>>> where half this list could already see it – as plain as day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do find it very interesting that you choose to take stuff off a group
>>> that has strict rules about external posts – and post it here for your own
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ☺ And I can guess who gave it to you – because its not hard to
>>> correlate members of this list to members of that group – but **shrug**
>>> who cares – its as good as a public post – I don’t say things that I won’t
>>> stand by – I stand by that one
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *William Ametozion <wametozion at gmail.com>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, 19 June 2018 at 23:19
>>> *To: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>>> *Cc: *Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>, "
>>> community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>, AFRINIC
>>> Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I came across a screenshot of a post (attached) by a member of AFRINIC
>>> Community on ICANN Facebook page and would like to share with you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes we may not have attained all our goals but the truth must be told
>>> that we have made progress .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No matter how bitter one is, history of Internet in Africa cannot be
>>> changed based on someone’s whims and caprices. Indeed pioneers deserve
>>> commendation and not unbridled hatred as shown. Africa deserves
>>> encouragement rather than this reckless attempt to destroy AFRINIC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I cannot wait to be in Cotonou. Let us all including friends of Africa
>>> join in the Celebration of IG 1998 - 2018 on July 6, 2018.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 June 2018 at 13:21, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Alan,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does this include the cocktail sponsorship – if it does – can we
>>> calculate as follows based on previous trips to work out the approximate
>>> cost of attendance:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Average cost per person in flights (based on previous financials) -
>>> $2049.50
>>>
>>> Sponsorship $3000
>>>
>>> Accommodation while there since it’s a 2 day event - $500 odd dollars
>>> per person (conservatively)
>>>
>>> 5 total people
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cost to the membership for this – roughly $16k?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just wanna be sure I have the numbers straight here
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net]
>>> *Sent:* 19 June 2018 16:15
>>> *To:* community-discuss at afrinic.net
>>> *Cc:* AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 15 Jun 2018, at 16:50, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.
>>> com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > So AfriNIC Board / Management – can you please disclose EXACTLY what
>>> was sponsored for this event – how much – who is going – and what are the
>>> members paying towards an event that is not even listed on your events
>>> calendar? I’d like to know how much of our money is being squandered.
>>>
>>> AFRINIC is not organising the event in Cotonou on 6 July 2018, but was
>>> invited to participate. AFRINIC is contributing $3000 in sponsorship, and
>>> will cover the costs for attendance by the CEO, one or two other staff, and
>>> the Chair and Vice Chair of the Board.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan Barrett
>>> CEO, AFRINIC
>>>
>>>
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