<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Komi</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Andrew may be speaking from a personal perspective as opposed to speaking on behalf of Liquid. Either way I don't think threats at this point are productive. We need to double back, tone down and find solutions.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ali
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Komi Elitcha <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kmw.elitcha@gmail.com" target="_blank">kmw.elitcha@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Ali,<br>
<br>
I am also for the right of every participant in this community not
to be muzzled but not to the detriment of the organisation. <br>
<br>
We already have a code of conduct for rpd, community and members
list[1] that resolves the issue of a distracting participant. No
reason why the rulebook cannot be thrown at a member who drags the
reputation of the organisation in the mud in the name of defending
its ideals. <br>
<br>
I would also be interested in answers to Janvier's question as the
member in question happens to be Liquid Telecom.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
[1] <a class="m_-4971029998850194905moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/<wbr>community/code-of-conduct</a><br>
</p><div><div class="h5">
<br>
<div class="m_-4971029998850194905moz-cite-prefix">Le 20/06/2018 à 15:38, Ali Hussein a
écrit :<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div><span></span></div>
<div>Komi </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All I can say is this:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I may not like what Andrew says but I will defend to the
death his right to say it ~ Paraphrased from a quote by the
French philosopher, Voltaire.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>These sort of threats only work in a police state and have no
place in a community based organization like Afrinic.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div id="m_-4971029998850194905AppleMailSignature">
<div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div>
<div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div>
<div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">AHK
& Associates</b></div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">+254 0713
601113 </div>
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</div>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter:
@AliHKassim</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype:
abu-jomo</span></p>
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<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"We
are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not
an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div>
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Sent from my iPad</div>
<div><br>
On 20 Jun 2018, at 4:33 PM, Komi Elitcha <<a href="mailto:kmw.elitcha@gmail.com" target="_blank">kmw.elitcha@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto">Hello AFRINIC BoD,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Based on what has been going on for a
while over the years, with liquid telecom an afrinic
ressources member engaging in many actions which affect
afrinic reputation and also expose the organization to
legal risks, I want to encourage The board to propose a
code of conduct for afrinic members. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Failure to comply to this code of conduct
by liquid telecom or any other members, board shall
invoke section 8.2(iii) of the bylaws and terminate
their membership</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">8.2 The membership of a Resource Member
shall terminate upon:</div>
<div dir="auto">(iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in
good faith, determining that the Resource Member has
refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this
Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board;</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">Le mar. 19 juin 2018 22:52, Janvier
NGNOULAYE <<a href="mailto:jnoulaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">jnoulaye@gmail.com</a>> a
écrit :<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div><font size="4">Dear
Andrew,</font></div>
<div><font size="4">I wonder
about your motives that seem inappropriate to me
this last couple of months, in such that, with
all respect due to you, I wanted to tell you to
stop paying your $50k annual fee, and go rent
your resources to another RIR. Afrinic will not
died.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Please
tell here if your statements here and questions
engage yourself or your company? Because it is
inacceptable that a single member micromanages
Afrinic, this is a lack of respect to the
Afrinic body. </font></div>
<div><font size="4">I'm really
shocked and got boring with your mails. The CEO
should have never replied to it. I am not the
one who have to ask you to wait for the
financial annual report or the auditor's report
at the AGMM to ask these multiple questions.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">I think
you're crossed over the line at this point, do
you forget the principle that the CEO reports to
the Board, and that the Board reports to members
at an AGMM? Where do you come from with the
questions on the figures in the mid-year budget
and particulary on sponsoring of the Cotonou
event? </font></div>
<div><font size="4">I also see
that you're giving yourself too much liberty, to
the point of asking ICANN if it is sponsoring
the Cotonou event, this is again a lack of
respect to the ICANN body.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">For the
sake of the African Internet community, for the
sake of the Afrinic members, and this is my
recommandation to the Board: I am requesting
the Board to put you under discipline because of
these attitudes that tarnish the image of
Afrinic and its members.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Warm
regards,</font></div>
<div><span style="font-size:large">Janvier NGNOULAYE</span><br>
</div>
<div><font size="4">Afrinic
Member</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Former
Afrinic Board member </font></div>
<div><font size="4">Yaounde -
Cameroon</font></div>
<div style="font-size:large"><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">Le mar. 19 juin 2018 à 22:09, Andrew
Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>>
a écrit :<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
<div class="m_-4971029998850194905m_4083254533069010146m_62437483461504718WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Just
wanted to add – did you think I would be
embarrassed by you leaking that? Or attempt
to deny it?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dude –
come on – get real – MANY people on that
list that are on that group – if I was
ashamed of that post – well – I wouldn’t
have posted it where half this list could
already see it – as plain as day.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I do
find it very interesting that you choose to
take stuff off a group that has strict rules
about external posts – and post it here for
your own purposes.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">☺</span><span lang="EN-GB"> And I can guess who gave it to
you – because its not hard to correlate
members of this list to members of that
group – but *<b>shrug</b>* who cares – its
as good as a public post – I don’t say
things that I won’t stand by – I stand by
that one</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Andrew</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">William
Ametozion <<a href="mailto:wametozion@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">wametozion@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 19 June 2018 at
23:19<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Alan Barrett <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>>,
"<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>"
<<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>>,
AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <<a href="mailto:board@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">board@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss]
Cotonou Meeting</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Community,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I came across a
screenshot of a post (attached) by a
member of AFRINIC Community on ICANN
Facebook page and would like to share with
you. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes we may not have
attained all our goals but the truth must
be told that we have made progress .</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">No matter how bitter
one is, history of Internet in Africa
cannot be changed based on someone’s whims
and caprices. Indeed pioneers deserve
commendation and not unbridled hatred as
shown. Africa deserves encouragement
rather than this reckless attempt to
destroy AFRINIC.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I cannot wait to be in
Cotonou. Let us all including friends of
Africa join in the Celebration of IG 1998
- 2018 on July 6, 2018.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 19 June 2018 at
13:21, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Alan,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Does this include the
cocktail sponsorship – if it does
– can we calculate as follows
based on previous trips to work
out the approximate cost of
attendance:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Average cost per
person in flights (based on
previous financials) - $2049.50</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Sponsorship $3000</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Accommodation while
there since it’s a 2 day event -
$500 odd dollars per person
(conservatively)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">5 total people</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Cost to the
membership for this – roughly
$16k?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I just wanna be sure
I have the numbers straight here</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Andrew</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
Alan Barrett [mailto:<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">alan.barrett@afrinic.<wbr>net</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 June 2018 16:15<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AFRINIC Board of
Directors' List <<a href="mailto:board@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">board@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Community-Discuss] Cotonou
Meeting<span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
> On 15 Jun 2018, at 16:50,
Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> So AfriNIC Board /
Management – can you please
disclose EXACTLY what was
sponsored for this event – how
much – who is going – and what
are the members paying towards
an event that is not even
listed on your events
calendar? I’d like to know how
much of our money is being
squandered.<br>
<br>
AFRINIC is not organising the
event in Cotonou on 6 July
2018, but was invited to
participate. AFRINIC is
contributing $3000 in
sponsorship, and will cover
the costs for attendance by
the CEO, one or two other
staff, and the Chair and Vice
Chair of the Board.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Alan Barrett<br>
CEO, AFRINIC<br>
<br>
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