[Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting
Komi Elitcha
kmw.elitcha at gmail.com
Wed Jun 20 17:25:49 UTC 2018
Ali,
I am also for the right of every participant in this community not to be
muzzled but not to the detriment of the organisation.
We already have a code of conduct for rpd, community and members list[1]
that resolves the issue of a distracting participant. No reason why the
rulebook cannot be thrown at a member who drags the reputation of the
organisation in the mud in the name of defending its ideals.
I would also be interested in answers to Janvier's question as the
member in question happens to be Liquid Telecom.
[1] https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct
Le 20/06/2018 à 15:38, Ali Hussein a écrit :
> Komi
>
> All I can say is this:
>
> I may not like what Andrew says but I will defend to the death his
> right to say it ~ Paraphrased from a quote by the French philosopher,
> Voltaire.
>
> These sort of threats only work in a police state and have no place in
> a community based organization like Afrinic.
>
> Regards
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *AHK & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113
>
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>
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act
> but a habit." ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 20 Jun 2018, at 4:33 PM, Komi Elitcha <kmw.elitcha at gmail.com
> <mailto:kmw.elitcha at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hello AFRINIC BoD,
>>
>> Based on what has been going on for a while over the years, with
>> liquid telecom an afrinic ressources member engaging in many actions
>> which affect afrinic reputation and also expose the organization to
>> legal risks, I want to encourage The board to propose a code of
>> conduct for afrinic members.
>>
>> Failure to comply to this code of conduct by liquid telecom or any
>> other members, board shall invoke section 8.2(iii) of the bylaws and
>> terminate their membership
>>
>> 8.2 The membership of a Resource Member shall terminate upon:
>> (iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in good faith, determining
>> that the Resource Member has refused or failed to comply with the
>> provisions of this Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board;
>>
>>
>> Le mar. 19 juin 2018 22:52, Janvier NGNOULAYE <jnoulaye at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com>> a écrit :
>>
>> Dear Andrew,
>> I wonder about your motives that seem inappropriate to me this
>> last couple of months, in such that, with all respect due to you,
>> I wanted to tell you to stop paying your $50k annual fee, and go
>> rent your resources to another RIR. Afrinic will not died.
>> Please tell here if your statements here and questions engage
>> yourself or your company? Because it is inacceptable that a
>> single member micromanages Afrinic, this is a lack of respect to
>> the Afrinic body.
>> I'm really shocked and got boring with your mails. The CEO should
>> have never replied to it. I am not the one who have to ask you to
>> wait for the financial annual report or the auditor's report at
>> the AGMM to ask these multiple questions.
>> I think you're crossed over the line at this point, do you forget
>> the principle that the CEO reports to the Board, and that the
>> Board reports to members at an AGMM? Where do you come from with
>> the questions on the figures in the mid-year budget and
>> particulary on sponsoring of the Cotonou event?
>> I also see that you're giving yourself too much liberty, to the
>> point of asking ICANN if it is sponsoring the Cotonou event, this
>> is again a lack of respect to the ICANN body.
>> For the sake of the African Internet community, for the sake of
>> the Afrinic members, and this is my recommandation to the Board:
>> I am requesting the Board to put you under discipline because of
>> these attitudes that tarnish the image of Afrinic and its members.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Janvier NGNOULAYE
>> Afrinic Member
>> Former Afrinic Board member
>> Yaounde - Cameroon
>>
>>
>> Le mar. 19 juin 2018 à 22:09, Andrew Alston
>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
>> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> a écrit :
>>
>> Just wanted to add – did you think I would be embarrassed by
>> you leaking that? Or attempt to deny it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dude – come on – get real – MANY people on that list that are
>> on that group – if I was ashamed of that post – well – I
>> wouldn’t have posted it where half this list could already
>> see it – as plain as day.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do find it very interesting that you choose to take stuff
>> off a group that has strict rules about external posts – and
>> post it here for your own purposes.
>>
>>
>>
>> ☺And I can guess who gave it to you – because its not hard to
>> correlate members of this list to members of that group – but
>> **shrug** who cares – its as good as a public post – I don’t
>> say things that I won’t stand by – I stand by that one
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *William Ametozion <wametozion at gmail.com
>> <mailto:wametozion at gmail.com>>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, 19 June 2018 at 23:19
>> *To: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
>> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
>> *Cc: *Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>>,
>> "community-discuss at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>"
>> <community-discuss at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>, AFRINIC Board of
>> Directors' List <board at afrinic.net <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Community,
>>
>>
>>
>> I came across a screenshot of a post (attached) by a member
>> of AFRINIC Community on ICANN Facebook page and would like to
>> share with you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes we may not have attained all our goals but the truth must
>> be told that we have made progress .
>>
>>
>>
>> No matter how bitter one is, history of Internet in Africa
>> cannot be changed based on someone’s whims and caprices.
>> Indeed pioneers deserve commendation and not unbridled hatred
>> as shown. Africa deserves encouragement rather than this
>> reckless attempt to destroy AFRINIC.
>>
>>
>>
>> I cannot wait to be in Cotonou. Let us all including friends
>> of Africa join in the Celebration of IG 1998 - 2018 on July
>> 6, 2018.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 June 2018 at 13:21, Andrew Alston
>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
>> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Does this include the cocktail sponsorship – if it does –
>> can we calculate as follows based on previous trips to
>> work out the approximate cost of attendance:
>>
>>
>>
>> Average cost per person in flights (based on previous
>> financials) - $2049.50
>>
>> Sponsorship $3000
>>
>> Accommodation while there since it’s a 2 day event - $500
>> odd dollars per person (conservatively)
>>
>> 5 total people
>>
>>
>>
>> Cost to the membership for this – roughly $16k?
>>
>>
>>
>> I just wanna be sure I have the numbers straight here
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>]
>> *Sent:* 19 June 2018 16:15
>> *To:* community-discuss at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>> *Cc:* AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 15 Jun 2018, at 16:50, Andrew Alston
>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
>> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > So AfriNIC Board / Management – can you please disclose
>> EXACTLY what was sponsored for this event – how much –
>> who is going – and what are the members paying towards an
>> event that is not even listed on your events calendar?
>> I’d like to know how much of our money is being squandered.
>>
>> AFRINIC is not organising the event in Cotonou on 6 July
>> 2018, but was invited to participate. AFRINIC is
>> contributing $3000 in sponsorship, and will cover the
>> costs for attendance by the CEO, one or two other staff,
>> and the Chair and Vice Chair of the Board.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan Barrett
>> CEO, AFRINIC
>>
>>
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