[Community-Discuss] [Spam] Re: [Board-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

Tue Jun 19 14:56:58 UTC 2018

You mean the $10k to AFNOG who has not produced an audited financial statement in 10 years?
The $17k to sponsor other meetings unspecified?
The (Roughly) $62k spent flying staff to off continent meetings – with no explanation to the membership as to how this benefits the members who are paying for it?
The combined 45 staff flown to the two AfriNIC meetings in 2017 – with no explanation as to why they were needed there (estimated cost of $90k)

The fact that staff cost actual to September 2017 was sitting at $1,382 million – and in one quarter suddenly rose by almost 40% to close the year at $2,298,586 – I’d love to hear how you spend 40% of your HR budget in a quarter of the year – because if that’s bonuses – someone give me a job.

And so the questions keep coming – all the questions we were not permitted to ask at the AGMM

Andrew

From: Saul Stein [mailto:saul at enetworks.co.za]
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Subject: RE: [Spam] Re: [Community-Discuss] [Board-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

Actually these questions and answers are rather interesting. We weren’t allowed to ask them at the AGMM, so I guess now is the time.

I am intrigued to see how much money is given to organisations that don’t seem to have accountability what they get.

From: Omo Oaiya [mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net]
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Subject: [Spam] Re: [Community-Discuss] [Board-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

Andrew,

I try to avoid you so I don’t get drawn into time-wasting discussions.   I guess I am reacting to your flippant disregard for AFRINIC origins and your attempt to disparage those that have worked to get us here.

On 19 Jun 2018, at 14:51, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:

Omo,

As a member that contributes fees to the organisation – at a rate of almost $50k a year – I have every single right in the world – to understand how that money is being spent.  And I will continue to ask – especially when an event is being held that is being paid for that is not on any event calendar.

I have not suggested you do not have the right to question.  I have queried their nature and more importantly the availability of the CEO to respond question by question.

While I realize that the organisation you work for – got their space on the back of a grant and didn’t even pay the allocation fee or the first few years of having it – and you are a small member – so its tiny amounts of money – others of us – actually would like to know where our cash is being spent to guide other decisions.

 I am a small member who does not expect this level of micromanagement from a CEO.

Andrew

From: Omo Oaiya [mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net]
Sent: 19 June 2018 16:47
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [Board-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

This line of questioning is unnecessary and unbecoming.   I am surprised the CEO has time to respond to this.

Omo

On 19 Jun 2018, at 14:40, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:

Sorry,

Last question – why is this event not on the AFRINIC Event calendar (or the ISOC event calendar)

Andrew

From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net]
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [Board-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting

> On 19 Jun 2018, at 17:21, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>
> Alan,
>
> Does this include the cocktail sponsorship

The sponsorship is a lump sum. There is no additional or separate amount for a cocktail.

> – if it does – can we calculate as follows based on previous trips to work out the approximate cost of attendance:
>
> Average cost per person in flights (based on previous financials) - $2049.50
> Sponsorship $3000
> Accommodation while there since it’s a 2 day event - $500 odd dollars per person (conservatively)
> 5 total people
>
> Cost to the membership for this – roughly $16k?

That sounds plausible, though it's more likely to be 4 people, not 5.

Alan Barrett

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