[Community-Discuss] Let's chat about unannounced v6 space!

Tue Oct 18 18:11:49 UTC 2016

Thanks Andrew and Alain for the various stats. I think a wholesome view
presented in readable format as this would help encourage and challenge
those who have the means to summon the required "will"(vice versa) to do
the needful.

That said I like to state a personal scenario which hopefully would help
point out why at times just the "will" doesn't lit the candle especially in
relation to v6. Here are a few QA to enumerate my point:

1. Do I support non-NATED Internet? Sure I do.

2. Do I run a NATED network on the internet? No I don't

3. Have I advertised my v6 space?
No i haven't because while I have the "will" and the "means" to do so, I do
not yet have the means to serve my users with it. Anyone who knows how
mikrotik hotspot can work on v6 (with accounting) could give me a hint.

4. Why not just advertise the space? Well I can do that but I don't believe
it make sense when I know I won't use it.

5. Do I feel concerned that the space would be retrieved from me if not
used? Yes I am because I have not been able to meet my originally proposed
plan and would not mind letting the space go for now if #AFRINIC wants to
do that. I can always go back for the space once my platform supports the
services I intend to deliver to my users. Or when my clients no longer
enjoy some of the services I currently provide.

6. Why did I get it initially when I wasn't ready? Because it was a good to
have, almost cost free and most importantly I got it on the hope that
things would change with my platform ;-).

I know quite a number of PI users may fall within the scenario posited
above.

Nevertheless, this is not to give "flimsy" excuses, it's to share valid
excuses and the reality. I hope that I would be able to contribute to v6
stats in our region in near future. I remain an advocate of the protocol.

Regards

Sent from my LG G4
Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On 18 Oct 2016 9:45 a.m., "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:

That trstech page needs to clarify what it means by routed outside of the
AfriNIC region.

Because I see subnets on that page that are 100% for certain inside the
AfriNIC region and always have been.  If they mean originated under a RIPE
assigned ASN – that is no indication of use outside of Africa.  Some useful
stats there though – thanks.

As said – I will have the code to tie back partial announcements and
non-existent announcements to org-id’s and organisations for v4 done
shortly, and I’ll run a comparison against what is seeing by airrs.

Thanks

Andrew

*From:* ALAIN AINA [mailto:aalain at trstech.net]
*Sent:* 18 October 2016 11:39

*To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
*Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Let's chat about unannounced v6 space!

Hi,

AIRRS(African Internet  Ressources and Routing Statistics)  can be seen at
the URL below.

http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports.html/bgp.reports.2016-
10-17-197.0.0.0.html

http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports.html/bgp.reports.2016-
10-17-41.0.0.0.html

http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports.html/bgp.reports.2016-
10-17-196.0.0.0.html

http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports6.html/bgp.reports.
2016-10-17-2001-4200.html

http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports6.html/bgp.reports.2016-10-17-2c00.html

They are no longer maintained.

For the v4 space there is  another initiative at  http://www.trstech.net/
africa-bgp/

Hope this helps

—Alain

On Oct 17, 2016, at 9:47 PM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:

Hi Nishal,

Not as far as I know, but I could be wrong – I don’t think I’ve seen a
single page output of stuff not announced and who it was allocated to –
could be wrong though.

As regards another full view – I could use another full view that is in
IOS-XR format (from a show route ipv6) and accessible via ssh – the current
code connects to the router and does an ssh2_exec with no PTY allocation to
pull the table. (save me writing more code to read other formats and change
the methods – so if you got anything like that it would be useful! –
Otherwise if you can send me off list some output from whatever routers you
have that have full table that aren’t XR when I have time I can take a look
at how to match against formatting)

If you can send me the list of IXP prefixes that shouldn’t be visible that
would be awesome – I can write a whitelist fairly easily, and yes, its
potentially possible for me to flag visible that shouldn’t be.

As a note – the v4 processing code is almost done – I was playing with this
last night and I can already see partial announcements against the
delegation file – the next step is tying that back to org-id’s and
organisations and then publishing in similar format.  There are a coupla
caveats behind that in the fact that the delegation file in AfriNIC for
some strange reason is not on natural CIDR boundaries and the whois
database also doesn’t store CIDR masks so some rather painful processing
and aggregation has to happen before you actually do the comparison, but
there should be a similar page for v4 out in the next few days.

If you have a list of v4 IXP prefix’s as a result, this would be useful as
well.

Chat later

Andrew

On 17/10/2016, 19:09, "Nishal Goburdhan" <nishal at controlfreak.co.za> wrote:

   On 16 Oct 2016, at 10:56, Andrew Alston wrote:

Just as another note –

I am also working on something that will take the rest of the
allocated prefixes (the ones that are announced), and tie them back to
the originating ASN

   hi andrew,

   doesn’t afrinic do this already (they used to, with the AIRRS report,
   but i haven’t looked in a long time).

   that said, it’s always nice to see initiative, and perhaps you can do
   something new, so, by way of assistance, i offer:
   * since you’re doing this from one “full-view”, do you need
   another?
   * i can assist you quite easily with identifying the IXP peering
   prefixes, if you’d like  (i.e those that should not be visible.  for
   bonus points, perhaps you can flag those, that should *not* be, but are
   ;-))

   —n.

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