<p dir="ltr">Thanks Andrew and Alain for the various stats. I think a wholesome view presented in readable format as this would help encourage and challenge those who have the means to summon the required "will"(vice versa) to do the needful. </p>
<p dir="ltr">That said I like to state a personal scenario which hopefully would help point out why at times just the "will" doesn't lit the candle especially in relation to v6. Here are a few QA to enumerate my point:</p>
<p dir="ltr">1. Do I support non-NATED Internet? Sure I do.</p>
<p dir="ltr">2. Do I run a NATED network on the internet? No I don't</p>
<p dir="ltr">3. Have I advertised my v6 space?<br>
No i haven't because while I have the "will" and the "means" to do so, I do not yet have the means to serve my users with it. Anyone who knows how mikrotik hotspot can work on v6 (with accounting) could give me a hint.</p>
<p dir="ltr">4. Why not just advertise the space? Well I can do that but I don't believe it make sense when I know I won't use it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">5. Do I feel concerned that the space would be retrieved from me if not used? Yes I am because I have not been able to meet my originally proposed plan and would not mind letting the space go for now if #AFRINIC wants to do that. I can always go back for the space once my platform supports the services I intend to deliver to my users. Or when my clients no longer enjoy some of the services I currently provide.</p>
<p dir="ltr">6. Why did I get it initially when I wasn't ready? Because it was a good to have, almost cost free and most importantly I got it on the hope that things would change with my platform ;-).</p>
<p dir="ltr">I know quite a number of PI users may fall within the scenario posited above.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Nevertheless, this is not to give "flimsy" excuses, it's to share valid excuses and the reality. I hope that I would be able to contribute to v6 stats in our region in near future. I remain an advocate of the protocol.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sent from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 Oct 2016 9:45 a.m., "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">That trstech page needs to clarify what it means by routed outside of the AfriNIC region.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Because I see subnets on that page that are 100% for certain inside the AfriNIC region and always have been. If they mean originated under a RIPE
assigned ASN – that is no indication of use outside of Africa. Some useful stats there though – thanks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As said – I will have the code to tie back partial announcements and non-existent announcements to org-id’s and organisations for v4 done shortly,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 18 October 2016 11:39<div class="quoted-text"><br>
<b>To:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>><br>
</div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Let's chat about unannounced v6 space!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports.html/bgp.reports.2016-10-17-197.0.0.0.html" target="_blank">http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/<wbr>reports.html/bgp.reports.2016-<wbr>10-17-197.0.0.0.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports.html/bgp.reports.2016-10-17-41.0.0.0.html" target="_blank">http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/<wbr>reports.html/bgp.reports.2016-<wbr>10-17-41.0.0.0.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports.html/bgp.reports.2016-10-17-196.0.0.0.html" target="_blank">http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/<wbr>reports.html/bgp.reports.2016-<wbr>10-17-196.0.0.0.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports6.html/bgp.reports.2016-10-17-2001-4200.html" target="_blank">http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/<wbr>reports6.html/bgp.reports.<wbr>2016-10-17-2001-4200.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports6.html/bgp.reports.2016-10-17-2c00.html" target="_blank">http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/<wbr>reports6.html/bgp.reports.<wbr>2016-10-17-2c00.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">They are no longer maintained.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For the v4 space there is another initiative at <a href="http://www.trstech.net/africa-bgp/" target="_blank">http://www.trstech.net/<wbr>africa-bgp/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 17, 2016, at 9:47 PM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Nishal,<br>
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Not as far as I know, but I could be wrong – I don’t think I’ve seen a single page output of stuff not announced and who it was allocated to – could be wrong though.<br>
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As regards another full view – I could use another full view that is in IOS-XR format (from a show route ipv6) and accessible via ssh – the current code connects to the router and does an ssh2_exec with no PTY allocation to pull the table. (save me writing
more code to read other formats and change the methods – so if you got anything like that it would be useful! – Otherwise if you can send me off list some output from whatever routers you have that have full table that aren’t XR when I have time I can take
a look at how to match against formatting)<br>
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If you can send me the list of IXP prefixes that shouldn’t be visible that would be awesome – I can write a whitelist fairly easily, and yes, its potentially possible for me to flag visible that shouldn’t be.<br>
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As a note – the v4 processing code is almost done – I was playing with this last night and I can already see partial announcements against the delegation file – the next step is tying that back to org-id’s and organisations and then publishing in similar format.
There are a coupla caveats behind that in the fact that the delegation file in AfriNIC for some strange reason is not on natural CIDR boundaries and the whois database also doesn’t store CIDR masks so some rather painful processing and aggregation has to
happen before you actually do the comparison, but there should be a similar page for v4 out in the next few days.<br>
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If you have a list of v4 IXP prefix’s as a result, this would be useful as well.<br>
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Chat later<br>
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Andrew<br>
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On 17/10/2016, 19:09, "Nishal Goburdhan" <<a href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za" target="_blank">nishal@controlfreak.co.za</a>> wrote:<br>
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On 16 Oct 2016, at 10:56, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
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I am also working on something that will take the rest of the <br>
allocated prefixes (the ones that are announced), and tie them back to <br>
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hi andrew,<br>
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doesn’t afrinic do this already (they used to, with the AIRRS report, <br>
but i haven’t looked in a long time).<br>
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that said, it’s always nice to see initiative, and perhaps you can do <br>
something new, so, by way of assistance, i offer:<br>
* since you’re doing this from one “full-view”, do you need <br>
another?<br>
* i can assist you quite easily with identifying the IXP peering <br>
prefixes, if you’d like (i.e those that should not be visible. for <br>
bonus points, perhaps you can flag those, that should *not* be, but are <br>
;-))<br>
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—n.<br>
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