[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 82
Gideon
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Mon Oct 22 15:32:43 SAST 2012
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> 1. The world is moving gradually towards cyber war
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> 2. WCIT Proposals threaten future of Silicon Savannah (waudo siganga)
> 3. Re: Who controls the internet? (Gideon)
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> From: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr>
> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] The world is moving gradually towards
> cyber war
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> Dear All,
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> We are no longer in the era where hackers and pirates act in their own
> interests, but in a scenario where states and governments are the main
> actors.
> Scratch your eyes here :
> http://www.brecorder.com/general-news/172/1249741/
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> Regards
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> --
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> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:23:04 +0300
> From: Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com>
> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Who controls the internet?
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> these people have reduced everything to DCA againist the world, now they
> are perhaps feeling a little boosted at Toronto, but a few days and we
> shall hear non of what was proposed, until someone ruffles feathers again
> like the .africa project
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Nii ,
> >
> > ..really? Bargain first with yourself, learn to create and use your
> > content/applications, share it with others and forget about holding the
> > world to a ransom
> >
> > The reasoning behind the "stake" is not about holding anyone at "ransom",
> > it means that we ought to build content/applications, share it with
> others
> > it means that people can look at Africa and gain from its content, it
> means
> > that no one will patent the African products and artifacts because the
> > world would know that that's definitely a product form Africa and not
> > elsewhere, it means having something tangible, something that would let
> > people acknowledge Africa based on its presence , otherwise we will have
> > other people keep doing it for us, our percentage online traffic will
> > always low.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Gideon.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 6:27 PM, <africann-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
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> >> Today's Topics:
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> >> 1. Re: Who controls the internet? (Mark Elkins)
> >> 2. Re: Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72 (McTim)
> >> 3. Re: Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72 (Nii Narku Quaynor)
> >> 4. Re: Who controls the internet? (SM)
> >> 5. Re: Presentation of the initial Plan for the Africa Strategy,
> >> Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre (Dr Yassin Mshana)
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:57:52 +0200
> >> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?
> >> To: SM <sm at resistor.net>
> >> Cc: africann at afrinic.net
> >> Message-ID: <1350644272.10058.40.camel at mjelap.posix.co.za>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> >> Inline below....
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 02:41 -0700, SM wrote:
> >> > Hi Mark,
> >> > At 01:18 19-10-2012, Mark Elkins wrote:
> >> > >If I look at ZA or more specifically CO.ZA and give reasons why it
> >> works
> >> > >reasonably well...
> >> > >
> >> > >Cost: Currently this is pretty low - around the $6 level. Probably
> >> would
> >> >
> >> > I did a quick summary of pricing but I did not post the
> >> > figures. co.za was the lowest.
> >> >
> >> > >make little difference until the price was above $30. Hosting a fair
> >> > >sized website in South Africa is from $100 to $300 a year - so 10% of
> >> > >that for a Domain is probably reasonable.
> >> >
> >> > Some of the ccTLDs charge more than USD 100 for registration.
> >> Over $50 is probably a serious barrier.
> >>
> >> > >Accessibility: I think this is the key issue regarding ccTLD's. If
> its
> >> > >easy and quick to register, then people will use it.
> >> >
> >> > Yes.
> >> >
> >> > >Reliability: CO.ZA Nameservers have never been down. The
> Registration
> >> > >portal has been down - but never long. However, some people measure
> >> > >reliability by how well e-mail (etc) work. Most SA ISP's are quite
> >> > >reliable, so 'co.za' e-mail addresses work reasonably well (we have
> >> our
> >> > >moments).
> >> >
> >> > .za has three nameservers within South Africa. co.za has at least
> >> > three nameservers within South Africa. It seems geared to serve the
> >> > local community. Some application (excluding email) designers set a
> >> > number and work out the optimization from there. If the DNS side has
> >> > high latency it can be a significant problem.
> >>
> >> Ah.. but you don't see the AnyCast Nameservers - there are something
> >> like 43 of these around the world (3 in Africa) - we use
> >> Autonimica/NetNode...
> >> Other ZA domains also use ISC's Anycast (ZA uses NetNode and ISC - two
> >> AnyCasts).
> >> African ccTLD folk should probably be looking at AfriNIC for AnyCast
> >> DNS. The CO.ZA zone is a touch on the large side... might be unfair.
> >>
> >> Nothing wrong with local nameservers - I'd assume that that is where
> >> most queries would come from.
> >>
> >> --
> >> . . ___. .__ Posix Systems - (South) Africa
> >> /| /| / /__ mje at posix.co.za - Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE
> >> / |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS Tel: +27 12 807 0590 Cell: +27 82 601 0496
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> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:10:26 -0400
> >> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72
> >> To: africann at afrinic.net
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> >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the insightful inputs, i beleive that at the end of the day
> >> from
> >> > the look of things, the business side of the internet has the most
> >> > influence
> >>
> >> they actually have little influence in a "one-nation one-vote"
> >> International treaty
> >> environment such as the ITU.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> McTim
> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:56:49 +0000
> >> From: Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72
> >> To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
> >> Message-ID: <BDBA8A13-BF1C-42A2-B551-DFED6F4F88A6 at ghana.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 6:55, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > The only way Africa could have a voice is to have a bargaining power
> >> that exists not in the lobbying only but more tangible factors like "we
> >> have this % of content, that holds the % stake of the www e.t.c. ". so
> we
> >> shall argue based on the stake we hold!!
> >> >
> >> ....really? Bargain first with yourself, learn to create and use your
> >> content/applications, share it with others and forget about holding the
> >> world to a ransom
> >>
> >> Rather use the open Internet to simply develop Africa's economies,
> >> industries and capacities
> >>
> >> Nii
> >> > Keep Well,
> >> >
> >> > Gideon Rop
> >> > DotConnectAfrica
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:39:02 -0700
> >> From: SM <sm at resistor.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?
> >> To: mje at posix.co.za
> >> Cc: africann at afrinic.net
> >> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20121019063959.0a9d9810 at resistor.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >>
> >> Hi Mark,
> >> At 03:57 19-10-2012, Mark Elkins wrote:
> >> >Ah.. but you don't see the AnyCast Nameservers - there are something
> >> >like 43 of these around the world (3 in Africa) - we use
> >> >Autonimica/NetNode...
> >>
> >> I didn't mention it as I was commenting about local access.
> >>
> >> >Nothing wrong with local nameservers - I'd assume that that is where
> >> >most queries would come from.
> >>
> >> The "closer" nameservers are used once the RTT statistics "points" to
> >> them. Sometimes, the client ends up selecting the a server which is
> >> further away because of routing oddities. As an unrelated comment
> >> the following nameservers might be queried when I send this message:
> >>
> >> sns-pb.isc.org 6 ms
> >> ns1.coza.net.za 165 ms
> >> secdns1.posix.co.za 322 ms
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> -sm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 5
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:25:00 +0000
> >> From: Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for
> >> the Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room
> Metro
> >> centre
> >> To: africann at afrinic.net
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <
> >> CAM2OVBqR5Z2Z-Au4wuPqHhO8EKs8_XG-LS+UqT2PJn8DejrsyA at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Hello Marcus,
> >>
> >> Can we have the analysis or the presentation please - if any so far...
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Yassin
> >>
> >> On 15 October 2012 14:27, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi EL,
> >> >
> >> > The fact of being there, even if the presentation has not yet been
> done
> >> is
> >> > an "initiative" for someone. so there is nothing wrong if someone
> think
> >> it
> >> > is "good" step.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Marcus
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------
> >> > From: el at lisse.na
> >> > Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for
> the
> >> > Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre
> >> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:50:19 -0400
> >> > To: africann at afrinic.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > How do you know that the initiative is good, when it has not been
> >> > presented yet?
> >> >
> >> > el
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Sent from the iPhone of
> >> > Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:52, gangalaramsamy narayan <narayan10 at yahoo.com
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Pierre
> >> >
> >> > Good initiative, I'll be there.
> >> >
> >> > Rgds
> >> >
> >> > Narayan G.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On *Mon, 10/15/12, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>*
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>
> >> > Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for the
> >> > Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre
> >> > To: africann at afrinic.net
> >> > Cc: icann-aswg at afrinic.net, "Tarek KAMEL" <tarek.kamel at icann.org>
> >> > Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 12:54 AM
> >> >
> >> > Dear Listers,
> >> >
> >> > As per its TORs, the ASWG submitted its draft outline of the ICANN
> >> > Strategic plan for Africa on 1st October. The ASWG thanks all those
> who
> >> > offered their comments and contributions; we did receive substantive
> >> > contributions which have helped develop the initial draft. Comments
> have
> >> > been posted alongside all the working documents developed by the Group
> >> at
> >> > http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/icann-aswg/tor.
> >> >
> >> > ICANN thus takes it from here. A presentation of this initial plan is
> >> > scheduled for tomorrow , at 15 - 16h30, room Metro Center, at ICANN 45
> >> in
> >> > Toronto.
> >> >
> >> > ICANN will then continue the outreach and public presentation until
> the
> >> > document evolves into a full Action plan for Africa in the next three
> >> > years..There is thus still room for contributing to this work in
> >> progress.
> >> >
> >> > The ASWG commends all those who gave their support (AfrICANN listers,
> >> > ICANN's management team, ICANN board members in their individual
> >> > capacities, ICANN constituency members and AfriNIC)
> >> > Best regards
> >> > Pierre
> >> > on behalf of the ASWG
> >> > --
> >> > Pierre Dandjinou
> >> > Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610
> >> > Dakar 221 77 639 30 41
> >> > www.scg.bj
> >> > skype : sagbo1953
> >> >
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