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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:52:55 +0100 (BST)<br>
From: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>><br>
Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] The world is moving gradually towards<br>
cyber war<br>
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Dear All,<br>
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We are no longer in the era where hackers and pirates act in their own interests, but in a scenario where states and governments are the main actors.<br>
Scratch your eyes here : <a href="http://www.brecorder.com/general-news/172/1249741/" target="_blank">http://www.brecorder.com/general-news/172/1249741/</a><br>
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Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:23:04 +0300<br>
From: Gideon <<a href="mailto:gideonrop@gmail.com">gideonrop@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Who controls the internet?<br>
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these people have reduced everything to DCA againist the world, now they<br>
are perhaps feeling a little boosted at Toronto, but a few days and we<br>
shall hear non of what was proposed, until someone ruffles feathers again<br>
like the .africa project<br>
<br>
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Gideon <<a href="mailto:gideonrop@gmail.com">gideonrop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Nii ,<br>
><br>
> ..really? Bargain first with yourself, learn to create and use your<br>
> content/applications, share it with others and forget about holding the<br>
> world to a ransom<br>
><br>
> The reasoning behind the "stake" is not about holding anyone at "ransom",<br>
> it means that we ought to build content/applications, share it with others<br>
> it means that people can look at Africa and gain from its content, it means<br>
> that no one will patent the African products and artifacts because the<br>
> world would know that that's definitely a product form Africa and not<br>
> elsewhere, it means having something tangible, something that would let<br>
> people acknowledge Africa based on its presence , otherwise we will have<br>
> other people keep doing it for us, our percentage online traffic will<br>
> always low.<br>
><br>
> Thanks.<br>
> Gideon.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 6:27 PM, <<a href="mailto:africann-request@afrinic.net">africann-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Today's Topics:<br>
>><br>
>> 1. Re: Who controls the internet? (Mark Elkins)<br>
>> 2. Re: Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72 (McTim)<br>
>> 3. Re: Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72 (Nii Narku Quaynor)<br>
>> 4. Re: Who controls the internet? (SM)<br>
>> 5. Re: Presentation of the initial Plan for the Africa Strategy,<br>
>> Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre (Dr Yassin Mshana)<br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>> Message: 1<br>
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:57:52 +0200<br>
>> From: Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
>> To: SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net">sm@resistor.net</a>><br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1350644272.10058.40.camel@mjelap.posix.co.za">1350644272.10058.40.camel@mjelap.posix.co.za</a>><br>
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>><br>
>> On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 02:41 -0700, SM wrote:<br>
>> > Hi Mark,<br>
>> > At 01:18 19-10-2012, Mark Elkins wrote:<br>
>> > >If I look at ZA or more specifically <a href="http://CO.ZA" target="_blank">CO.ZA</a> and give reasons why it<br>
>> works<br>
>> > >reasonably well...<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > >Cost: Currently this is pretty low - around the $6 level. Probably<br>
>> would<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I did a quick summary of pricing but I did not post the<br>
>> > figures. <a href="http://co.za" target="_blank">co.za</a> was the lowest.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > >make little difference until the price was above $30. Hosting a fair<br>
>> > >sized website in South Africa is from $100 to $300 a year - so 10% of<br>
>> > >that for a Domain is probably reasonable.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Some of the ccTLDs charge more than USD 100 for registration.<br>
>> Over $50 is probably a serious barrier.<br>
>><br>
>> > >Accessibility: I think this is the key issue regarding ccTLD's. If its<br>
>> > >easy and quick to register, then people will use it.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Yes.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > >Reliability: <a href="http://CO.ZA" target="_blank">CO.ZA</a> Nameservers have never been down. The Registration<br>
>> > >portal has been down - but never long. However, some people measure<br>
>> > >reliability by how well e-mail (etc) work. Most SA ISP's are quite<br>
>> > >reliable, so '<a href="http://co.za" target="_blank">co.za</a>' e-mail addresses work reasonably well (we have<br>
>> our<br>
>> > >moments).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > .za has three nameservers within South Africa. <a href="http://co.za" target="_blank">co.za</a> has at least<br>
>> > three nameservers within South Africa. It seems geared to serve the<br>
>> > local community. Some application (excluding email) designers set a<br>
>> > number and work out the optimization from there. If the DNS side has<br>
>> > high latency it can be a significant problem.<br>
>><br>
>> Ah.. but you don't see the AnyCast Nameservers - there are something<br>
>> like 43 of these around the world (3 in Africa) - we use<br>
>> Autonimica/NetNode...<br>
>> Other ZA domains also use ISC's Anycast (ZA uses NetNode and ISC - two<br>
>> AnyCasts).<br>
>> African ccTLD folk should probably be looking at AfriNIC for AnyCast<br>
>> DNS. The <a href="http://CO.ZA" target="_blank">CO.ZA</a> zone is a touch on the large side... might be unfair.<br>
>><br>
>> Nothing wrong with local nameservers - I'd assume that that is where<br>
>> most queries would come from.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> . . ___. .__ Posix Systems - (South) Africa<br>
>> /| /| / /__ <a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> - Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE<br>
>> / |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS Tel: <a href="tel:%2B27%2012%20807%200590" value="+27128070590">+27 12 807 0590</a> Cell: <a href="tel:%2B27%2082%20601%200496" value="+27826010496">+27 82 601 0496</a><br>
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>> Message: 2<br>
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:10:26 -0400<br>
>> From: McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
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>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Gideon <<a href="mailto:gideonrop@gmail.com">gideonrop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Hi All,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks for the insightful inputs, i beleive that at the end of the day<br>
>> from<br>
>> > the look of things, the business side of the internet has the most<br>
>> > influence<br>
>><br>
>> they actually have little influence in a "one-nation one-vote"<br>
>> International treaty<br>
>> environment such as the ITU.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>><br>
>> McTim<br>
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>> Message: 3<br>
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:56:49 +0000<br>
>> From: Nii Narku Quaynor <<a href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72<br>
>> To: "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:BDBA8A13-BF1C-42A2-B551-DFED6F4F88A6@ghana.com">BDBA8A13-BF1C-42A2-B551-DFED6F4F88A6@ghana.com</a>><br>
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>><br>
>> On Oct 19, 2012, at 6:55, Gideon <<a href="mailto:gideonrop@gmail.com">gideonrop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > The only way Africa could have a voice is to have a bargaining power<br>
>> that exists not in the lobbying only but more tangible factors like "we<br>
>> have this % of content, that holds the % stake of the www e.t.c. ". so we<br>
>> shall argue based on the stake we hold!!<br>
>> ><br>
>> ....really? Bargain first with yourself, learn to create and use your<br>
>> content/applications, share it with others and forget about holding the<br>
>> world to a ransom<br>
>><br>
>> Rather use the open Internet to simply develop Africa's economies,<br>
>> industries and capacities<br>
>><br>
>> Nii<br>
>> > Keep Well,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Gideon Rop<br>
>> > DotConnectAfrica<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Message: 4<br>
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:39:02 -0700<br>
>> From: SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net">sm@resistor.net</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a><br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:6.2.5.6.2.20121019063959.0a9d9810@resistor.net">6.2.5.6.2.20121019063959.0a9d9810@resistor.net</a>><br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Mark,<br>
>> At 03:57 19-10-2012, Mark Elkins wrote:<br>
>> >Ah.. but you don't see the AnyCast Nameservers - there are something<br>
>> >like 43 of these around the world (3 in Africa) - we use<br>
>> >Autonimica/NetNode...<br>
>><br>
>> I didn't mention it as I was commenting about local access.<br>
>><br>
>> >Nothing wrong with local nameservers - I'd assume that that is where<br>
>> >most queries would come from.<br>
>><br>
>> The "closer" nameservers are used once the RTT statistics "points" to<br>
>> them. Sometimes, the client ends up selecting the a server which is<br>
>> further away because of routing oddities. As an unrelated comment<br>
>> the following nameservers might be queried when I send this message:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://sns-pb.isc.org" target="_blank">sns-pb.isc.org</a> 6 ms<br>
>> <a href="http://ns1.coza.net.za" target="_blank">ns1.coza.net.za</a> 165 ms<br>
>> <a href="http://secdns1.posix.co.za" target="_blank">secdns1.posix.co.za</a> 322 ms<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> -sm<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Message: 5<br>
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:25:00 +0000<br>
>> From: Dr Yassin Mshana <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for<br>
>> the Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro<br>
>> centre<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> Message-ID:<br>
>> <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:CAM2OVBqR5Z2Z-Au4wuPqHhO8EKs8_XG-LS%2BUqT2PJn8DejrsyA@mail.gmail.com">CAM2OVBqR5Z2Z-Au4wuPqHhO8EKs8_XG-LS+UqT2PJn8DejrsyA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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>><br>
>> Hello Marcus,<br>
>><br>
>> Can we have the analysis or the presentation please - if any so far...<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers<br>
>><br>
>> Yassin<br>
>><br>
>> On 15 October 2012 14:27, Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > Hi EL,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The fact of being there, even if the presentation has not yet been done<br>
>> is<br>
>> > an "initiative" for someone. so there is nothing wrong if someone think<br>
>> it<br>
>> > is "good" step.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Marcus<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > ------------------------------<br>
>> > From: <a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a><br>
>> > Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for the<br>
>> > Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre<br>
>> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:50:19 -0400<br>
>> > To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > How do you know that the initiative is good, when it has not been<br>
>> > presented yet?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > el<br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Sent from the iPhone of<br>
>> > Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:52, gangalaramsamy narayan <<a href="mailto:narayan10@yahoo.com">narayan10@yahoo.com</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks Pierre<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Good initiative, I'll be there.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Rgds<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Narayan G.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --- On *Mon, 10/15/12, Dandjinou Pierre <<a href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>>* wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > From: Dandjinou Pierre <<a href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> > Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for the<br>
>> > Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre<br>
>> > To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> > Cc: <a href="mailto:icann-aswg@afrinic.net">icann-aswg@afrinic.net</a>, "Tarek KAMEL" <<a href="mailto:tarek.kamel@icann.org">tarek.kamel@icann.org</a>><br>
>> > Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 12:54 AM<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Dear Listers,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > As per its TORs, the ASWG submitted its draft outline of the ICANN<br>
>> > Strategic plan for Africa on 1st October. The ASWG thanks all those who<br>
>> > offered their comments and contributions; we did receive substantive<br>
>> > contributions which have helped develop the initial draft. Comments have<br>
>> > been posted alongside all the working documents developed by the Group<br>
>> at<br>
>> > <a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/icann-aswg/tor" target="_blank">http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/icann-aswg/tor</a>.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > ICANN thus takes it from here. A presentation of this initial plan is<br>
>> > scheduled for tomorrow , at 15 - 16h30, room Metro Center, at ICANN 45<br>
>> in<br>
>> > Toronto.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > ICANN will then continue the outreach and public presentation until the<br>
>> > document evolves into a full Action plan for Africa in the next three<br>
>> > years..There is thus still room for contributing to this work in<br>
>> progress.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The ASWG commends all those who gave their support (AfrICANN listers,<br>
>> > ICANN's management team, ICANN board members in their individual<br>
>> > capacities, ICANN constituency members and AfriNIC)<br>
>> > Best regards<br>
>> > Pierre<br>
>> > on behalf of the ASWG<br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Pierre Dandjinou<br>
>> > Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610<br>
>> > Dakar 221 77 639 30 41<br>
>> > <a href="http://www.scg.bj" target="_blank">www.scg.bj</a><br>
>> > skype : sagbo1953<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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