[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 82

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

Yes, Sophia, don't we all...

...disregard your logorrhea?

el

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On Oct 22, 2012, at 15:32, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:

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>>    1. The world is moving gradually towards cyber war
>>       (Pierre Lotis NANKEP)
>>    2. WCIT Proposals threaten future of Silicon Savannah (waudo siganga)
>>    3. Re: Who controls the internet? (Gideon)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:52:55 +0100 (BST)
>> From: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr>
>> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] The world is moving gradually towards
>>         cyber war
>> To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
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>> Dear All,
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>> We are no longer in the era where hackers and pirates act in their own interests, but in a scenario where states and governments are the main actors.
>> Scratch your eyes here : http://www.brecorder.com/general-news/172/1249741/
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>> Regards
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>> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:53:45 +0300
>> From: waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
>> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] WCIT Proposals threaten future of Silicon
>>         Savannah
>> To: africann at afrinic.net
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>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion+++Analysis/Internet+proposals+threaten+future+of+Silicon+Savannah+/-/539548/1538502/-/wbf2joz/-/index.html
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:23:04 +0300
>> From: Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Who controls the internet?
>> To: africann at afrinic.net
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>> these people have reduced everything to DCA againist the world, now they
>> are perhaps feeling a little boosted at Toronto, but a few days and we
>> shall hear non of what was proposed, until someone ruffles feathers again
>> like the .africa project
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Nii ,
>> >
>> > ..really? Bargain first with yourself, learn to create and use your
>> > content/applications, share it with others and forget about holding the
>> > world to a ransom
>> >
>> > The reasoning behind the "stake" is not about holding anyone at "ransom",
>> > it means that we ought to build content/applications, share it with others
>> > it means that people can look at Africa and gain from its content, it means
>> > that no one will patent the African products and artifacts because the
>> > world would know that that's definitely a product form Africa and not
>> > elsewhere, it means having something tangible, something that would let
>> > people acknowledge Africa based on its presence , otherwise we will have
>> > other people keep doing it for us, our percentage online traffic will
>> > always low.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> > Gideon.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 6:27 PM, <africann-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
>> >
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>> >>
>> >> Today's Topics:
>> >>
>> >>    1. Re: Who controls the internet? (Mark Elkins)
>> >>    2. Re: Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72 (McTim)
>> >>    3. Re: Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72 (Nii Narku Quaynor)
>> >>    4. Re: Who controls the internet? (SM)
>> >>    5. Re: Presentation of the initial Plan for the      Africa Strategy,
>> >>       Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre (Dr Yassin Mshana)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:57:52 +0200
>> >> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
>> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?
>> >> To: SM <sm at resistor.net>
>> >> Cc: africann at afrinic.net
>> >> Message-ID: <1350644272.10058.40.camel at mjelap.posix.co.za>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >>
>> >> Inline below....
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 02:41 -0700, SM wrote:
>> >> > Hi Mark,
>> >> > At 01:18 19-10-2012, Mark Elkins wrote:
>> >> > >If I look at ZA or more specifically CO.ZA and give reasons why it
>> >> works
>> >> > >reasonably well...
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Cost: Currently this is pretty low - around the $6 level. Probably
>> >> would
>> >> >
>> >> > I did a quick summary of pricing but I did not post the
>> >> > figures.  co.za was the lowest.
>> >> >
>> >> > >make little difference until the price was above $30. Hosting a fair
>> >> > >sized website in South Africa is from $100 to $300 a year - so 10% of
>> >> > >that for a Domain is probably reasonable.
>> >> >
>> >> > Some of the ccTLDs charge more than USD 100 for registration.
>> >> Over $50 is probably a serious barrier.
>> >>
>> >> > >Accessibility: I think this is the key issue regarding ccTLD's. If its
>> >> > >easy and quick to register, then people will use it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes.
>> >> >
>> >> > >Reliability: CO.ZA Nameservers have never been down. The Registration
>> >> > >portal has been down - but never long. However, some people measure
>> >> > >reliability by how well e-mail (etc) work. Most SA ISP's are quite
>> >> > >reliable, so 'co.za' e-mail addresses work reasonably well (we have
>> >> our
>> >> > >moments).
>> >> >
>> >> > .za has three nameservers within South Africa.  co.za has at least
>> >> > three nameservers within South Africa.  It seems geared to serve the
>> >> > local community.  Some application (excluding email) designers set a
>> >> > number and work out the optimization from there.  If the DNS side has
>> >> > high latency it can be a significant problem.
>> >>
>> >> Ah.. but you don't see the AnyCast Nameservers - there are something
>> >> like 43 of these around the world (3 in Africa) - we use
>> >> Autonimica/NetNode...
>> >> Other ZA domains also use ISC's Anycast (ZA uses NetNode and ISC - two
>> >> AnyCasts).
>> >> African ccTLD folk should probably be looking at AfriNIC for AnyCast
>> >> DNS. The CO.ZA zone is a touch on the large side... might be unfair.
>> >>
>> >> Nothing wrong with local nameservers - I'd assume that that is where
>> >> most queries would come from.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>   .  .     ___. .__      Posix Systems - (South) Africa
>> >>  /| /|       / /__       mje at posix.co.za  -  Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE
>> >> / |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS  Tel: +27 12 807 0590  Cell: +27 82 601 0496
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>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:10:26 -0400
>> >> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72
>> >> To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >> Message-ID:
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>> >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hi All,
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for the insightful inputs, i beleive that at the end of the day
>> >> from
>> >> > the look of things, the business side of the internet has the most
>> >> > influence
>> >>
>> >> they actually have little influence in a "one-nation one-vote"
>> >> International treaty
>> >> environment such as the ITU.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> McTim
>> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> >> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 3
>> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:56:49 +0000
>> >> From: Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72
>> >> To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
>> >> Message-ID: <BDBA8A13-BF1C-42A2-B551-DFED6F4F88A6 at ghana.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 6:55, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > The only way Africa could have a voice is to have a bargaining power
>> >> that exists not in the lobbying only but more tangible factors like "we
>> >> have this % of content, that holds the %  stake of the www e.t.c. ". so we
>> >> shall argue based on the stake we hold!!
>> >> >
>> >> ....really? Bargain first with yourself, learn to create and use your
>> >> content/applications, share it with others and forget about holding the
>> >> world to a ransom
>> >>
>> >> Rather use the open Internet to simply develop Africa's economies,
>> >> industries and capacities
>> >>
>> >> Nii
>> >> > Keep Well,
>> >> >
>> >> > Gideon Rop
>> >> > DotConnectAfrica
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 4
>> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:39:02 -0700
>> >> From: SM <sm at resistor.net>
>> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?
>> >> To: mje at posix.co.za
>> >> Cc: africann at afrinic.net
>> >> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20121019063959.0a9d9810 at resistor.net>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>> >>
>> >> Hi Mark,
>> >> At 03:57 19-10-2012, Mark Elkins wrote:
>> >> >Ah.. but you don't see the AnyCast Nameservers - there are something
>> >> >like 43 of these around the world (3 in Africa) - we use
>> >> >Autonimica/NetNode...
>> >>
>> >> I didn't mention it as I was commenting about local access.
>> >>
>> >> >Nothing wrong with local nameservers - I'd assume that that is where
>> >> >most queries would come from.
>> >>
>> >> The "closer" nameservers are used once the RTT statistics "points" to
>> >> them.  Sometimes, the client ends up selecting the a server which is
>> >> further away because of routing oddities.  As an unrelated comment
>> >> the following nameservers might be queried when I send this message:
>> >>
>> >>   sns-pb.isc.org        6 ms
>> >>   ns1.coza.net.za     165 ms
>> >>   secdns1.posix.co.za 322 ms
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> -sm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 5
>> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:25:00 +0000
>> >> From: Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for
>> >>         the     Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro
>> >> centre
>> >> To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>         <
>> >> CAM2OVBqR5Z2Z-Au4wuPqHhO8EKs8_XG-LS+UqT2PJn8DejrsyA at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >>
>> >> Hello Marcus,
>> >>
>> >> Can we have the analysis or the presentation please - if any so far...
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> Yassin
>> >>
>> >> On 15 October 2012 14:27, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >  Hi EL,
>> >> >
>> >> > The fact of being there, even if the presentation has not yet been done
>> >> is
>> >> > an "initiative" for someone. so there is nothing wrong if someone think
>> >> it
>> >> > is "good" step.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Marcus
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ------------------------------
>> >> > From: el at lisse.na
>> >> > Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for the
>> >> > Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre
>> >> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:50:19 -0400
>> >> > To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > How do you know that the initiative is good, when it has not been
>> >> > presented yet?
>> >> >
>> >> > el
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from the iPhone of
>> >> > Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:52, gangalaramsamy narayan <narayan10 at yahoo.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks Pierre
>> >> >
>> >> >  Good initiative, I'll be there.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rgds
>> >> >
>> >> > Narayan G.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- On *Mon, 10/15/12, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>* wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>
>> >> > Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for the
>> >> > Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre
>> >> > To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >> > Cc: icann-aswg at afrinic.net, "Tarek KAMEL" <tarek.kamel at icann.org>
>> >> > Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 12:54 AM
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear Listers,
>> >> >
>> >> > As per its TORs, the ASWG  submitted its draft outline of the ICANN
>> >> > Strategic plan for Africa on 1st October. The ASWG thanks all those who
>> >> > offered their comments and contributions; we did receive substantive
>> >> > contributions which have helped develop the initial draft. Comments have
>> >> > been posted alongside all the working documents developed by the Group
>> >> at
>> >> > http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/icann-aswg/tor.
>> >> >
>> >> > ICANN thus takes it from here. A presentation of this initial plan is
>> >> > scheduled for tomorrow , at 15 - 16h30, room Metro Center, at ICANN 45
>> >> in
>> >> > Toronto.
>> >> >
>> >> > ICANN will then continue the outreach and public presentation until the
>> >> > document evolves into a full Action plan for Africa in the next three
>> >> > years..There is thus still room for contributing to this work in
>> >> progress.
>> >> >
>> >> > The ASWG commends all those who gave their support (AfrICANN listers,
>> >> > ICANN's management team, ICANN board members in their individual
>> >> > capacities, ICANN constituency members and AfriNIC)
>> >> > Best regards
>> >> > Pierre
>> >> > on behalf of the ASWG
>> >> > --
>> >> > Pierre Dandjinou
>> >> > Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610
>> >> > Dakar 221 77 639 30 41
>> >> > www.scg.bj
>> >> > skype : sagbo1953
>> >> >
>> >> >
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