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[rpd] AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chair Selection Timeframe
Fernando Frediani
fhfrediani at gmail.com
Fri Apr 29 12:04:13 UTC 2022
Exactly, it is so strange the idea to have it only during the in person
event that I find to weird someone suggesting and insisting it to be
there. Wasn't it enough the historic that happened already to keep
insisting in the mistake ?
Fernando
On 29/04/2022 09:00, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:
> Dear Daniel,
>
> the problem with Physical persons present at the meeting is we repeat
> the mistakes of Kampala where people are shipped into the meeting room
> during the PPM and given tags and food to vote for certain candidates.
>
> This people often dont even know what AFRINIC or the PDP is and last
> time we witnessed even National Antems being sang by a crowd that came
> in to specifically vote for certain candidates
>
> AFRINIC also reported an influx of registration on RPD mailing list
> which can not be used as a voter register considering the number of
> sockpuppets who have since registered on the list but are not active
> participants
>
> Do you want to become a co-chair, how about you come forward and
> convince the WG openly here on rpd list.
>
> The WG could assess your ability to do the job through your sense of
> communication, consensus building, conflict management, etc…
>
> --
> Arnaud
>
> Le jeu. 28 avr. 2022 à 17:52, Daniel I. Yakmut
> <yakmutd at googlemail.com> a écrit :
>
> Dear Arnaud,
>
> It cannot be publicly (All Stakeholders) and at the same Resource
> holder only endorsement.
>
> Speaking as a Resource Holder, I do not agree with the imposition
> of Co-Chairs on the mailing list. Let the selection take place
> during the PPM in Mauritius, I don't have qualms if that will be
> done by the limited number of persons physically present at the
> meeting,
>
> Simply,
>
> Daniel
>
> On 28/04/2022 14:32, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:
>> Hi please see inline
>>
>> Le mar. 26 avr. 2022 à 15:32, Daniel Yakmut
>> <yakmutd at googlemail.com> a écrit :
>>
>> Dear Arnaud
>> Why do we need a PDWG, if who matters are resource holders. I
>> will advocate all other persons vacate the membership of the
>> PDWG and allow the resource holders do what they like and how
>> they like
>>
>> However, if PDWG is a stakeholder arrangement, then we must
>> give everyone an equal footing. Let us stop being Hitlers here.
>>
>> Simply,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmmm… Hitler?
>> His Majesty, Please let not go there. Extremism never built a
>> good society.
>>
>> I never said that only the ressources members matter
>>
>> iCP-2 principle (2) is clear on the importance of the ressource
>> members in the « raison d’être » of a RIR and the bylaws
>> accepted and defined the roles and prerogatives of each stakeholder.
>>
>> I prefer a publicly endorsed co-chair by Resources members to a
>> rogue and conflicted co-chair serving hidden agenda and third
>> party motives.
>>
>> Why is this a big issue when the final selection of the
>> co-chairs is made by the WG?
>>
>> Arnaud
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022, 12:07 Arnaud AMELINA,
>> <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hummm ! my comments inline
>>
>> Le lun. 25 avr. 2022 à 13:27, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
>> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> a écrit :
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>> I have tried as much as possible not to make a
>> comment but it seems I have to comment on this as I
>> would also be making a comment on the other impunity
>> the board leadership have decided to plunge AFRINIC
>> into recently.
>> 1. This timeline is not acceptable because I don't
>> know how Co-chairs would emerge via the use of the
>> mailing list.
>>
>>
>> We keep repeating ourselves.
>>
>> You do know how Policy discussions and decisions are made
>> on the ML, but somehow you do not know how the selection
>> of Co-chairs to take on the administrative support role
>> of the Working Group, happens on the same mailinglist.
>>
>> It was tried last time what we ended up having are
>> impostors.
>>
>>
>> Impostors ? These two interim co-chairs are respectable
>> community members with proven reputation and expertise
>> who have done a great service so far and I am sure, WG
>> participants would want them to continue.
>>
>> Two people who claimed they emerged as consensus
>> candidates when some others on the mailing did not
>> agree. I see no consensus in the process.
>>
>>
>> Looks like you still have a problem with understanding
>> “consensus”
>>
>> Do “objections” mean de facto ”no consensus”?
>>
>> Then I object to criteria J. I see no reason for
>> this. Endorsement from resource members shows some
>> form of affiliation.
>>
>>
>> Affiliation to who? Resource members are the main
>> stakeholders here, accountable to the global community.
>>
>> The community has witnessed sponsored Co-chairs before
>> who were supposed to be participating as individuals
>> without motives.
>>
>> co-chairs are not expected to be endorsed this way.
>>
>>
>> Who says so ? Even though resources members are also
>> part of the community, they are the direct affected
>> parties by policies and decisions made by the PDP.
>>
>> As a known and well organised stakeholders, I see nothing
>> wrong with them endorsing co-chairs or even endorsing
>> draft policy proposals.
>>
>>
>> @OWEN: I hope i am not eligible to be a board member yet
>> Cheers
>>
>> AK
>>
>>
>> --
>> Arnaud
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 6:37 AM Owen DeLong via RPD
>> <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2022, at 09:09 , Daniel Yakmut via
>>> RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Sylvain,
>>>
>>> You answered my questions, we can do things
>>> when and how we like it. It clearly also shows
>>> that we can interpret laws and rules at our
>>> whims and caprices.
>>>
>>> As I can see the spirit of the letters of the
>>> CPM does not matter anymore.
>>>
>>> The world is a jungle indeed.
>>>
>>
>> With beliefs like this, you are now eligible to
>> be a member of the AFRINIC board.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>> Simply,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022, 18:32 Sylvain Baya,
>>> <abscoco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear PDWG,
>>> Hope this email finds you in good health!
>>>
>>> Please see my comments below, inline...
>>>
>>> Le vendredi 22 avril 2022, Daniel I. Yakmut
>>> via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a écrit :
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>> Thanks for your email, brother!
>>>
>>> Have we amended the process of
>>> selecting/nominating/electing Co-Chairs
>>> now?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please process are you refering to?
>>>
>>> Remember that we had agreed that the procedure
>>> available to replace PDWG's Chairs is very
>>> open;
>>> and it's not seems to be a bug in the actual
>>> version
>>> (1.6) of the PDP [1].
>>> __
>>> [1]:
>>> <https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process>
>>>
>>> As you know, the appropriate words are:
>>> *choose*,
>>> *nominate*, *select*, *selection*; and each
>>> of those
>>> correspond to a particular situation about
>>> PDWG
>>> Chairs' tenure and replacement.
>>>
>>> Of course, in case of a replacement after a
>>> full
>>> mandate, the appropriate term is: "*nominate*
>>> during the PPM". Is it preventing the PDWG
>>> to do
>>> whatever it see fit before the PPM; in order to
>>> ensure itself that the *nomination* is
>>> successfully
>>> conducted during the up coming PPM?
>>>
>>> That's the question!
>>>
>>> <paste_CPM_section_3.3>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3.3 The Policy Development Working
>>> Group (PDWG)
>>>
>>> The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG)
>>> discusses the proposals. Anyone may
>>> participate via the Internet or in person.
>>> PDWG work is carried out through the
>>> Resource Policy Discussion mailing list
>>> (rpd at afrinic.net) and the bi-annual AFRINIC
>>> Public Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person,
>>> participating either in person or remotely,
>>> is considered to be part of the Policy
>>> Development Working Group.
>>>
>>> The Policy Development Working Group has two
>>> Chairs to perform its administrative
>>> functions. The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the
>>> AFRINIC community during the Public Policy
>>> Meeting and serve staggered two-year terms.
>>> The term ends during the first Public Policy
>>> Meeting corresponding to the end of the term
>>> for which they were appointed. A term may
>>> begin or end no sooner than the first day of
>>> the Public Policy Meeting and no later than
>>> the last day of the Public Policy Meeting as
>>> determined by the mutual agreement of the
>>> current Chair and the new Chair.
>>>
>>> If the Working Group Chair is unable to
>>> serve his or her full term, the Working
>>> Group may select a replacement to serve the
>>> remainder of the term. If the Working Group
>>> Chairs are unable to attend the Public
>>> Policy Meeting, the Working Group shall
>>> nominate a Chair for the session. Anyone
>>> present at the meeting, whether in person or
>>> by remote participation, may participate in
>>> the selection process for a temporary Chair.
>>>
>>> </paste_CPM_section_3.3>
>>>
>>> Because the proposed activities and
>>> timeline looks extremely strange to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please, could you elaborate on what you see as
>>> strange?
>>>
>>>
>>> However, if I am missing something,
>>> please can i be referred to the reviewed
>>> (new) document that says we can now
>>> select/nominate/elect co-chairs on the
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's clearly not about a formal document/DPP :-/
>>>
>>> But if you want, feel free to propose a DPP to
>>> clarify what appeares to be void into the
>>> running
>>> version of the CPM.
>>>
>>> ...i agree that the *nomination* is done
>>> during the
>>> PPM, per CPM section 3.3, but what's
>>> preventing
>>> the PDWG to consensually prepare its success
>>> beforehand? It's exactely what's happening
>>> right
>>> now, imho!
>>> Please, see also early comment above.
>>>
>>> Someone like me is beginning to loose
>>> interest
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...i understand your say, and i sympatize,
>>> brother;
>>> but i don't think it's actually the case.
>>>
>>> It's rather a PDP flexibility which allows
>>> the PDWG
>>> to consensually and freely do things that
>>> could ameliorate its difficult conditions...
>>>
>>> with us conducting our activities
>>> without a standing guide.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't like that, still, interesting
>>> flexibility,
>>> imho! then i encourage you to submit a DPP.
>>>
>>> Clarifications on is important and urgent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...i hope this clarifies something!
>>>
>>> Also, i thank the Policy Liaison Team for the
>>> welcomed support provided to the PDWG to
>>> guarantee a soft transition to a new PDWG's
>>> Chair.
>>>
>>> Shalom,
>>> --sb.
>>>
>>> Simply,
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> On 21/04/2022 19:08, AFRINIC Policy
>>> Liaison wrote:
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *Dear PDWG,*
>>>> *
>>>> [...]
>>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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