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[rpd] AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chair Selection Timeframe
Daniel I. Yakmut
yakmutd at googlemail.com
Thu Apr 28 17:52:19 UTC 2022
Dear Arnaud,
It cannot be publicly (All Stakeholders) and at the same Resource holder
only endorsement.
Speaking as a Resource Holder, I do not agree with the imposition of
Co-Chairs on the mailing list. Let the selection take place during the
PPM in Mauritius, I don't have qualms if that will be done by the
limited number of persons physically present at the meeting,
Simply,
Daniel
On 28/04/2022 14:32, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:
> Hi please see inline
>
> Le mar. 26 avr. 2022 à 15:32, Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com> a
> écrit :
>
> Dear Arnaud
> Why do we need a PDWG, if who matters are resource holders. I will
> advocate all other persons vacate the membership of the PDWG and
> allow the resource holders do what they like and how they like
>
> However, if PDWG is a stakeholder arrangement, then we must give
> everyone an equal footing. Let us stop being Hitlers here.
>
> Simply,
> Daniel
>
>
>
> Hmmmm… Hitler?
> His Majesty, Please let not go there. Extremism never built a good
> society.
>
> I never said that only the ressources members matter
>
> iCP-2 principle (2) is clear on the importance of the ressource
> members in the « raison d’être » of a RIR and the bylaws accepted
> and defined the roles and prerogatives of each stakeholder.
>
> I prefer a publicly endorsed co-chair by Resources members to a rogue
> and conflicted co-chair serving hidden agenda and third party motives.
>
> Why is this a big issue when the final selection of the co-chairs is
> made by the WG?
>
> Arnaud
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022, 12:07 Arnaud AMELINA, <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hummm ! my comments inline
>
> Le lun. 25 avr. 2022 à 13:27, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> a écrit :
>
> Dear all,
>
>
> I have tried as much as possible not to make a comment but
> it seems I have to comment on this as I would also be
> making a comment on the other impunity the board
> leadership have decided to plunge AFRINIC into recently.
> 1. This timeline is not acceptable because I don't know
> how Co-chairs would emerge via the use of the mailing list.
>
>
> We keep repeating ourselves.
>
> You do know how Policy discussions and decisions are made on
> the ML, but somehow you do not know how the selection of
> Co-chairs to take on the administrative support role of the
> Working Group, happens on the same mailinglist.
>
> It was tried last time what we ended up having are impostors.
>
>
> Impostors ? These two interim co-chairs are respectable
> community members with proven reputation and expertise who
> have done a great service so far and I am sure, WG
> participants would want them to continue.
>
> Two people who claimed they emerged as consensus
> candidates when some others on the mailing did not agree.
> I see no consensus in the process.
>
>
> Looks like you still have a problem with understanding
> “consensus”
>
> Do “objections” mean de facto ”no consensus”?
>
> Then I object to criteria J. I see no reason for this.
> Endorsement from resource members shows some form of
> affiliation.
>
>
> Affiliation to who? Resource members are the main
> stakeholders here, accountable to the global community.
>
> The community has witnessed sponsored Co-chairs before who
> were supposed to be participating as individuals without motives.
>
> co-chairs are not expected to be endorsed this way.
>
>
> Who says so ? Even though resources members are also part of
> the community, they are the direct affected parties by
> policies and decisions made by the PDP.
>
> As a known and well organised stakeholders, I see nothing
> wrong with them endorsing co-chairs or even endorsing draft
> policy proposals.
>
>
> @OWEN: I hope i am not eligible to be a board member yet
> Cheers
>
> AK
>
>
> --
> Arnaud
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 6:37 AM Owen DeLong via RPD
> <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Apr 23, 2022, at 09:09 , Daniel Yakmut via RPD
>> <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sylvain,
>>
>> You answered my questions, we can do things when and
>> how we like it. It clearly also shows that we can
>> interpret laws and rules at our whims and caprices.
>>
>> As I can see the spirit of the letters of the CPM
>> does not matter anymore.
>>
>> The world is a jungle indeed.
>>
>
> With beliefs like this, you are now eligible to be a
> member of the AFRINIC board.
>
> Owen
>
>> Simply,
>> Daniel
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022, 18:32 Sylvain Baya,
>> <abscoco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear PDWG,
>> Hope this email finds you in good health!
>>
>> Please see my comments below, inline...
>>
>> Le vendredi 22 avril 2022, Daniel I. Yakmut via
>> RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a écrit :
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>> Hi Daniel,
>> Thanks for your email, brother!
>>
>> Have we amended the process of
>> selecting/nominating/electing Co-Chairs now?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please process are you refering to?
>>
>> Remember that we had agreed that the procedure
>> available to replace PDWG's Chairs is very open;
>> and it's not seems to be a bug in the actual version
>> (1.6) of the PDP [1].
>> __
>> [1]:
>> <https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process>
>>
>> As you know, the appropriate words are: *choose*,
>> *nominate*, *select*, *selection*; and each of those
>> correspond to a particular situation about PDWG
>> Chairs' tenure and replacement.
>>
>> Of course, in case of a replacement after a full
>> mandate, the appropriate term is: "*nominate*
>> during the PPM". Is it preventing the PDWG to do
>> whatever it see fit before the PPM; in order to
>> ensure itself that the *nomination* is successfully
>> conducted during the up coming PPM?
>>
>> That's the question!
>>
>> <paste_CPM_section_3.3>
>>
>>
>> 3.3 The Policy Development Working Group
>> (PDWG)
>>
>> The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG)
>> discusses the proposals. Anyone may participate
>> via the Internet or in person. PDWG work is
>> carried out through the Resource Policy
>> Discussion mailing list (rpd at afrinic.net) and the
>> bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings (PPM).
>> Any person, participating either in person or
>> remotely, is considered to be part of the Policy
>> Development Working Group.
>>
>> The Policy Development Working Group has two
>> Chairs to perform its administrative functions.
>> The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC
>> community during the Public Policy Meeting and
>> serve staggered two-year terms. The term ends
>> during the first Public Policy Meeting
>> corresponding to the end of the term for which
>> they were appointed. A term may begin or end no
>> sooner than the first day of the Public Policy
>> Meeting and no later than the last day of the
>> Public Policy Meeting as determined by the mutual
>> agreement of the current Chair and the new Chair.
>>
>> If the Working Group Chair is unable to serve his
>> or her full term, the Working Group may select a
>> replacement to serve the remainder of the term.
>> If the Working Group Chairs are unable to attend
>> the Public Policy Meeting, the Working Group
>> shall nominate a Chair for the session. Anyone
>> present at the meeting, whether in person or by
>> remote participation, may participate in the
>> selection process for a temporary Chair.
>>
>> </paste_CPM_section_3.3>
>>
>> Because the proposed activities and timeline
>> looks extremely strange to me.
>>
>>
>> Please, could you elaborate on what you see as
>> strange?
>>
>>
>> However, if I am missing something, please
>> can i be referred to the reviewed (new)
>> document that says we can now
>> select/nominate/elect co-chairs on the
>> mailing list.
>>
>>
>> It's clearly not about a formal document/DPP :-/
>>
>> But if you want, feel free to propose a DPP to
>> clarify what appeares to be void into the running
>> version of the CPM.
>>
>> ...i agree that the *nomination* is done during the
>> PPM, per CPM section 3.3, but what's preventing
>> the PDWG to consensually prepare its success
>> beforehand? It's exactely what's happening right
>> now, imho!
>> Please, see also early comment above.
>>
>> Someone like me is beginning to loose interest
>>
>>
>>
>> ...i understand your say, and i sympatize, brother;
>> but i don't think it's actually the case.
>>
>> It's rather a PDP flexibility which allows the PDWG
>> to consensually and freely do things that could
>> ameliorate its difficult conditions...
>>
>> with us conducting our activities without a
>> standing guide.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you don't like that, still, interesting
>> flexibility,
>> imho! then i encourage you to submit a DPP.
>>
>> Clarifications on is important and urgent.
>>
>>
>>
>> ...i hope this clarifies something!
>>
>> Also, i thank the Policy Liaison Team for the
>> welcomed support provided to the PDWG to
>> guarantee a soft transition to a new PDWG's Chair.
>>
>> Shalom,
>> --sb.
>>
>> Simply,
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 21/04/2022 19:08, AFRINIC Policy Liaison
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *Dear PDWG,*
>>> *
>>> [...]
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best Regards !
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