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    <p>Dear Arnaud,</p>
    <p>It cannot be publicly (All Stakeholders) and at the same Resource
      holder only endorsement.</p>
    <p>Speaking as a Resource Holder, I do not agree with the imposition
      of Co-Chairs on the mailing list. Let the selection take place
      during the PPM in Mauritius, I don't have qualms if that will be
      done by the limited number of persons physically present at the
      meeting,</p>
    <p>Simply,</p>
    <p>Daniel<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/04/2022 14:32, Arnaud AMELINA
      wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Hi please see inline</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 26 avr. 2022
            à 15:32, Daniel Yakmut <<a
              href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com"
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            a écrit :<br>
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            <div dir="auto">Dear Arnaud 
              <div dir="auto">Why do we need a PDWG, if who matters are
                resource holders. I will advocate all other persons
                vacate the membership of the PDWG and allow the resource
                holders do what they like and how they like</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">However,  if PDWG is a stakeholder
                arrangement,  then we must give everyone an equal
                footing. Let us stop being Hitlers here.</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
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              <div dir="auto">Simply,</div>
              <div dir="auto">Daniel</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
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              <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">Hmmmm… Hitler? </div>
            <div dir="auto">His Majesty, Please let not go there.
              Extremism never built  a good society. </div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">I never said  that only the ressources
              members matter </div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">iCP-2  principle (2)  is clear on the
              importance of the ressource members in the  « raison
              d’être »  of a RIR and the bylaws accepted and defined 
              the roles and prerogatives of each stakeholder.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">I prefer a publicly endorsed  co-chair by
              Resources members to a rogue and conflicted co-chair
              serving hidden agenda and third party motives.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Why  is this a big issue when the  final
              selection of the co-chairs is made by the WG?</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Arnaud</div>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 26 Apr 2022,
                12:07 Arnaud AMELINA, <<a
                  href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <div>Hummm ! my comments inline<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 25 avr.
                      2022 à 13:27, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a
                        href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
                      a écrit :<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Dear all, 
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                          <div>I have tried as much as possible not to
                            make a comment but it seems I have to
                            comment on this as I would also be making a
                            comment on the other impunity the board
                            leadership have decided to plunge AFRINIC
                            into recently. </div>
                          <div>1.  This timeline is not acceptable
                            because I don't know how Co-chairs would
                            emerge via the use of the mailing list.</div>
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                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div dir="auto">We keep repeating ourselves.   </div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">You do know how Policy discussions
                        and decisions are made on the ML, but somehow
                        you do not know how the selection of Co-chairs
                        to take on the administrative  support role of
                        the Working Group, happens on the same
                        mailinglist. <br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div> </div>
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                          <div> It was tried last time what we ended up
                            having are impostors.</div>
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                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Impostors ?  These two interim co-chairs are
                      respectable community members with proven
                      reputation and expertise who have done a great
                      service so far and  I am sure, WG participants
                      would want them to continue.</div>
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                          <div> Two people who claimed they emerged as
                            consensus candidates when some others on the
                            mailing did not agree.  I see no
                            consensus in the process.</div>
                        </div>
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                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div dir="auto">Looks like you still have a
                        problem with understanding “consensus” </div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">Do “objections” mean de facto ”no
                        consensus”? <br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
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                          <div>  Then I object to criteria J. I see no
                            reason for this. Endorsement from resource
                            members shows some form of affiliation.</div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
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                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div dir="auto">Affiliation to who?  Resource
                        members are the main stakeholders here,
                        accountable to the global community.  </div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">The community has witnessed
                        sponsored Co-chairs before who were supposed to
                        be participating as individuals without motives.</div>
                    </div>
                    <div> </div>
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                        <div>
                          <div> co-chairs are not expected to be
                            endorsed this way. </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </blockquote>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div dir="auto">Who says so ?  Even though
                        resources members are also part of the
                        community, they are the direct affected parties
                        by policies and decisions made by the PDP. </div>
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="auto">As a known and well organised
                        stakeholders, I see nothing wrong with them
                        endorsing co-chairs or even endorsing draft
                        policy proposals.  <br>
                      </div>
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                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>@OWEN: I hope i am not eligible to be a
                            board member yet</div>
                          <div>Cheers </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>AK</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
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                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>--<br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Arnaud<br>
                    </div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr
                          24, 2022 at 6:37 AM Owen DeLong via RPD <<a
                            href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div><br>
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                                <div>On Apr 23, 2022, at 09:09 , Daniel
                                  Yakmut via RPD <<a
                                    href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                  wrote:</div>
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                                  <div dir="auto">Dear Sylvain,
                                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="auto">You answered my
                                      questions,  we can do things when
                                      and how we like it. It clearly
                                      also shows that we can interpret
                                      laws and rules at our whims and
                                      caprices.</div>
                                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="auto">As I can see the
                                      spirit of the letters of the CPM
                                      does not matter anymore. </div>
                                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="auto">The world is a
                                      jungle indeed. </div>
                                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
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                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              With beliefs like this, you are now
                              eligible to be a member of the AFRINIC
                              board.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Owen</div>
                            <div><br>
                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                <div>
                                  <div dir="auto">
                                    <div dir="auto">Simply,</div>
                                    <div dir="auto">Daniel</div>
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                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                      Fri, 22 Apr 2022, 18:32 Sylvain
                                      Baya, <<a
                                        href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                      PDWG,
                                      <div>Hope this email finds you in
                                        good health!</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Please see my comments below,
                                        inline...</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        Le vendredi 22 avril 2022,
                                        Daniel I. Yakmut via RPD <<a
                                          href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                          rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                        a écrit :<br>
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                                            <p>Dear All,</p>
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                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>Hi Daniel,</div>
                                          <div>Thanks for your email,
                                            brother!</div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> </div>
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                                            <p>Have we amended the
                                              process of
                                              selecting/nominating/electing
                                              Co-Chairs now? </p>
                                            <p><br>
                                            </p>
                                          </div>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Please process are you
                                          refering to?</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Remember that we had agreed
                                          that the procedure </div>
                                        <div>available to replace PDWG's
                                          Chairs is very open; </div>
                                        <div>and it's not seems to be a
                                          bug in the actual version</div>
                                        <div> (1.6) of the PDP [1].</div>
                                        <div>__</div>
                                        <div>[1]: <<a
                                            href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process"
                                            rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process</a>></div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>As you know, the
                                          appropriate words are:
                                          *choose*, </div>
                                        <div>*nominate*, *select*,
                                          *selection*; and each of those</div>
                                        <div> correspond to a particular
                                          situation about PDWG </div>
                                        <div>Chairs' tenure and
                                          replacement.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Of course, in case of a
                                          replacement after a full </div>
                                        <div>mandate, the appropriate
                                          term is: "*nominate* </div>
                                        <div>during the PPM". Is it
                                          preventing the PDWG to do </div>
                                        <div>whatever it see fit before
                                          the PPM; in order to </div>
                                        <div>ensure itself that the
                                          *nomination* is successfully </div>
                                        <div>conducted during the up
                                          coming PPM?<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>That's the question!</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
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                                          <h3
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                                            0%">3.3  The Policy
                                            Development Working Group
                                            (PDWG)</h3>
                                          <p
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">The
                                            Policy Development Working
                                            Group (PDWG) discusses the
                                            proposals. Anyone may
                                            participate via the Internet
                                            or in person. PDWG work is
                                            carried out through the
                                            Resource Policy Discussion
                                            mailing list (<a
                                              href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);text-decoration-line:underline"
                                              rel="noreferrer
                                              noreferrer"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rpd@afrinic.net</a>)
                                            and the bi-annual AFRINIC
                                            Public Policy Meetings
                                            (PPM). Any person,
                                            participating either in
                                            person or remotely, is
                                            considered to be part of the
                                            Policy Development Working
                                            Group.</p>
                                          <p
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">The
                                            Policy Development Working
                                            Group has two Chairs to
                                            perform its administrative
                                            functions. The PDWG Chairs
                                            are chosen by the AFRINIC
                                            community during the Public
                                            Policy Meeting and serve
                                            staggered two-year terms.
                                            The term ends during the
                                            first Public Policy Meeting
                                            corresponding to the end of
                                            the term for which they were
                                            appointed. A term may begin
                                            or end no sooner than the
                                            first day of the Public
                                            Policy Meeting and no later
                                            than the last day of the
                                            Public Policy Meeting as
                                            determined by the mutual
                                            agreement of the current
                                            Chair and the new Chair.</p>
                                          <p
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">If
                                            the Working Group Chair is
                                            unable to serve his or her
                                            full term, the Working Group
                                            may select a replacement to
                                            serve the remainder of the
                                            term. If the Working Group
                                            Chairs are unable to attend
                                            the Public Policy Meeting,
                                            the Working Group shall
                                            nominate a Chair for the
                                            session. Anyone present at
                                            the meeting, whether in
                                            person or by remote
                                            participation, may
                                            participate in the selection
                                            process for a temporary
                                            Chair.</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div></paste_CPM_section_3.3></div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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                                          <div>
                                            <p>Because the proposed
                                              activities and timeline
                                              looks extremely strange to
                                              me. </p>
                                            <p><br>
                                            </p>
                                          </div>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div>Please, could you elaborate
                                          on what you see as </div>
                                        <div>strange?</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                                          <div>
                                            <p><br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p>However, if I am missing
                                              something, please can i be
                                              referred to the reviewed
                                              (new) document that says
                                              we can now
                                              select/nominate/elect
                                              co-chairs on the mailing
                                              list.</p>
                                          </div>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>It's clearly not about a
                                          formal document/DPP :-/</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>But if you want, feel free
                                          to propose a DPP to </div>
                                        <div>clarify what appeares to be
                                          void into the running</div>
                                        <div> version of the CPM.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>...i agree that the
                                          *nomination* is done during
                                          the</div>
                                        <div> PPM, per CPM section 3.3,
                                          but what's preventing </div>
                                        <div>the PDWG to consensually
                                          prepare its success </div>
                                        <div>beforehand? It's exactely
                                          what's happening right </div>
                                        <div>now, imho!</div>
                                        <div>Please, see also early
                                          comment above.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                                          <div>
                                            <p>Someone like me is
                                              beginning to loose
                                              interest</p>
                                            <p><br>
                                            </p>
                                          </div>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>...i understand your say,
                                          and i sympatize, brother; </div>
                                        <div>but i don't think it's
                                          actually the case.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>It's rather a PDP
                                          flexibility which allows the
                                          PDWG </div>
                                        <div>to consensually and freely
                                          do things that could
                                          ameliorate its difficult
                                          conditions...</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                                          <div>
                                            <p> with us conducting our
                                              activities without a
                                              standing guide.  </p>
                                            <p><br>
                                            </p>
                                          </div>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>If you don't like that,
                                          still, interesting
                                          flexibility, </div>
                                        <div>imho! then i encourage you
                                          to submit a DPP.</div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                                          <div>
                                            <p>Clarifications on  is
                                              important and urgent.</p>
                                            <p><br>
                                            </p>
                                          </div>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>...i hope this clarifies
                                          something!</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Also, i thank the Policy
                                          Liaison Team for the </div>
                                        <div>welcomed support provided
                                          to the PDWG to </div>
                                        <div>guarantee a soft transition
                                          to a new PDWG's Chair.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Shalom,</div>
                                        <div>--sb.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> </div>
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                                          <p>Simply,</p>
                                          <p>Daniel<br>
                                          </p>
                                          <div>On 21/04/2022 19:08,
                                            AFRINIC Policy Liaison
                                            wrote:<br>
                                          </div>
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