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[rpd] AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chair Selection Timeframe

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Tue Apr 26 17:08:58 UTC 2022 


> On Apr 25, 2022, at 19:46 , Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> @Owen,
> 
> Just out of curiosity, how is it limited to a small number of people in a room?

Given the extreme variability of the quality and reliability of remote participation in AFRINIC meetings to date, I question the certainty of remote participants being truly enfranchised.

> Are folks banned from attending the open meeting if they can afford to travel to the meeting location or try to join remotely? 

Not at all… See above.

> It is in anyway hindering the mass movement of folks who have no connection with PDWG and  will just come into the meeting room for voting purposes as it was previously gamed in the last Kampala meeting? 

Actually, this was first encountered in the Dakar meeting, if memory serves. It was repeated in Nairobi.

While it is repeatedly claimed that this occurred in Kampala, I haven’t seen any actual evidence to support this idea as the majority of people who I observed in the room for the co-chair vote were also actively participating on the policy proposals.

> I mean no offense but trying to understand your angle and perspective. 

No offense taken. These are legitimate questions and I believe they deserve full and complete answers which I have endeavored to provide above.

Unlike the AFRINIC board and staff, I favor transparency and an open process. I support a proper conduct of the elections on a fair basis.

> Can you please shed some light on this logic of yours and how it is connected with voting rights / patterns and reasons for not endorsing a process? 
> I'm only curious. 

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Owen

> 
> Caleb Ogundele
> 
> ________________
> 
> Sent with thumbs from a small screen mobile device. 
> 
> Pelase exsuce typos adn errosr.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 7:57 PM Owen DeLong via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
> Ordinarily, I would encourage this. However, since attendance to the meeting in Mauritius has been severely limited to a small number of people, limiting participation in the election to those in the room would disenfranchise far too many PDWG members to be acceptable.
> 
> I’m not endorsing the proposed process, but merely pointing out that we have not yet arrived at a point where we can do an in-person in-the-room traditional election.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 10:15, Daniel I. Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I am a resource member and definitely I do not agreed with the timelines been concocted. It is against everything democratic and openness. But I am not surprise, we are toeing the same path of our African Political Leaders, messing around with any guiding document, that supports good governance.
>> 
>> What I am saying, since there is going to be a PPM in May, we should do the right thing, conduct an election/nomination/choosing/imposition or whatever, during the PPM in Mauritius.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Simply 
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
>> On 25/04/2022 15:17, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:
>>> You need to look in the mirror. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers. 
>>> 
>>> AK
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:49 PM Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
>>> You can take the boy from the village but you can not take the village out of the boy. Tim Tufuga.
>>> 
>>> Noah
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022, 16:40 ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE, <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
>>> Dear all, 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have tried as much as possible not to make a comment but it seems I have to comment on this as I would also be making a comment on the other impunity the board leadership have decided to plunge AFRINIC into recently. 
>>> 1.  This timeline is not acceptable because I don't know how Co-chairs would emerge via the use of the mailing list. It was tried last time what we ended up having are impostors. Two people who claimed they emerged as consensus candidates when some others on the mailing did not agree.  I see no consensus in the process.  Then I object to criteria J. I see no reason for this. Endorsement from resource members shows some form of affiliation. co-chairs are not expected to be endorsed this way. 
>>> 
>>> @OWEN: I hope i am not eligible to be a board member yet
>>> Cheers 
>>> 
>>> AK
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 6:37 AM Owen DeLong via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 23, 2022, at 09:09 , Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Sylvain,
>>>> 
>>>> You answered my questions,  we can do things when and how we like it. It clearly also shows that we can interpret laws and rules at our whims and caprices.
>>>> 
>>>> As I can see the spirit of the letters of the CPM does not matter anymore. 
>>>> 
>>>> The world is a jungle indeed. 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> With beliefs like this, you are now eligible to be a member of the AFRINIC board.
>>> 
>>> Owen
>>> 
>>>> Simply,
>>>> Daniel
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022, 18:32 Sylvain Baya, <abscoco at gmail.com <mailto:abscoco at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Dear PDWG,
>>>> Hope this email finds you in good health!
>>>> 
>>>> Please see my comments below, inline...
>>>> 
>>>> Le vendredi 22 avril 2022, Daniel I. Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> a écrit :
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>> Thanks for your email, brother!
>>>>  
>>>> Have we amended the process of selecting/nominating/electing Co-Chairs now? 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Please process are you refering to?
>>>> 
>>>> Remember that we had agreed that the procedure 
>>>> available to replace PDWG's Chairs is very open; 
>>>> and it's not seems to be a bug in the actual version
>>>>  (1.6) of the PDP [1].
>>>> __
>>>> [1]: <https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process <https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process>>
>>>> 
>>>> As you know, the appropriate words are: *choose*, 
>>>> *nominate*, *select*, *selection*; and each of those
>>>>  correspond to a particular situation about PDWG 
>>>> Chairs' tenure and replacement.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course, in case of a replacement after a full 
>>>> mandate, the appropriate term is: "*nominate* 
>>>> during the PPM". Is it preventing the PDWG to do 
>>>> whatever it see fit before the PPM; in order to 
>>>> ensure itself that the *nomination* is successfully 
>>>> conducted during the up coming PPM?
>>>> 
>>>> That's the question!
>>>> 
>>>> <paste_CPM_section_3.3>
>>>> 3.3  The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG)
>>>> 
>>>> The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG) discusses the proposals. Anyone may participate via the Internet or in person. PDWG work is carried out through the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>) and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person, participating either in person or remotely, is considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.
>>>> 
>>>> The Policy Development Working Group has two Chairs to perform its administrative functions. The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC community during the Public Policy Meeting and serve staggered two-year terms. The term ends during the first Public Policy Meeting corresponding to the end of the term for which they were appointed. A term may begin or end no sooner than the first day of the Public Policy Meeting and no later than the last day of the Public Policy Meeting as determined by the mutual agreement of the current Chair and the new Chair.
>>>> 
>>>> If the Working Group Chair is unable to serve his or her full term, the Working Group may select a replacement to serve the remainder of the term. If the Working Group Chairs are unable to attend the Public Policy Meeting, the Working Group shall nominate a Chair for the session. Anyone present at the meeting, whether in person or by remote participation, may participate in the selection process for a temporary Chair.
>>>> 
>>>> </paste_CPM_section_3.3>
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Because the proposed activities and timeline looks extremely strange to me. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Please, could you elaborate on what you see as 
>>>> strange?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> However, if I am missing something, please can i be referred to the reviewed (new) document that says we can now select/nominate/elect co-chairs on the mailing list.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> It's clearly not about a formal document/DPP :-/
>>>> 
>>>> But if you want, feel free to propose a DPP to 
>>>> clarify what appeares to be void into the running
>>>>  version of the CPM.
>>>> 
>>>> ...i agree that the *nomination* is done during the
>>>>  PPM, per CPM section 3.3, but what's preventing 
>>>> the PDWG to consensually prepare its success 
>>>> beforehand? It's exactely what's happening right 
>>>> now, imho!
>>>> Please, see also early comment above.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Someone like me is beginning to loose interest
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ...i understand your say, and i sympatize, brother; 
>>>> but i don't think it's actually the case.
>>>> 
>>>> It's rather a PDP flexibility which allows the PDWG 
>>>> to consensually and freely do things that could ameliorate its difficult conditions...
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>>  with us conducting our activities without a standing guide.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If you don't like that, still, interesting flexibility, 
>>>> imho! then i encourage you to submit a DPP.
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Clarifications on  is important and urgent.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ...i hope this clarifies something!
>>>> 
>>>> Also, i thank the Policy Liaison Team for the 
>>>> welcomed support provided to the PDWG to 
>>>> guarantee a soft transition to a new PDWG's Chair.
>>>> 
>>>> Shalom,
>>>> --sb.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Simply,
>>>> 
>>>> Daniel
>>>> 
>>>> On 21/04/2022 19:08, AFRINIC Policy Liaison wrote:
>>>>>  Dear PDWG,
>>>>> 
>>>>> [...]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Best Regards !
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