[rpd] AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chair Selection Timeframe

Tue Apr 26 12:02:22 UTC 2022

Hummm ! my comments inline

Le lun. 25 avr. 2022 à 13:27, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
a écrit :

> Dear all,
>
>
> I have tried as much as possible not to make a comment but it seems I have
> to comment on this as I would also be making a comment on the other
> impunity the board leadership have decided to plunge AFRINIC into recently.
> 1.  This timeline is not acceptable because I don't know how Co-chairs
> would emerge via the use of the mailing list.
>

We keep repeating ourselves.

You do know how Policy discussions and decisions are made on the ML, but
somehow you do not know how the selection of Co-chairs to take on the
administrative  support role of the Working Group, happens on the same
mailinglist.

> It was tried last time what we ended up having are impostors.
>

Impostors ?  These two interim co-chairs are respectable community members
with proven reputation and expertise who have done a great service so far
and  I am sure, WG participants would want them to continue.

> Two people who claimed they emerged as consensus candidates when some
> others on the mailing did not agree.  I see no consensus in the process.
>

Looks like you still have a problem with understanding “consensus”

Do “objections” mean de facto ”no consensus”?

>   Then I object to criteria J. I see no reason for this. Endorsement from
> resource members shows some form of affiliation.
>

Affiliation to who?  Resource members are the main stakeholders here,
accountable to the global community.

The community has witnessed sponsored Co-chairs before who were supposed to
be participating as individuals without motives.

> co-chairs are not expected to be endorsed this way.
>

Who says so ?  Even though resources members are also part of the
community, they are the direct affected parties by policies and decisions
made by the PDP.

As a known and well organised stakeholders, I see nothing wrong with them
endorsing co-chairs or even endorsing draft policy proposals.

>
> @OWEN: I hope i am not eligible to be a board member yet
> Cheers
>
> AK
>
>
--
Arnaud

>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 6:37 AM Owen DeLong via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2022, at 09:09 , Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sylvain,
>>
>> You answered my questions,  we can do things when and how we like it. It
>> clearly also shows that we can interpret laws and rules at our whims and
>> caprices.
>>
>> As I can see the spirit of the letters of the CPM does not matter
>> anymore.
>>
>> The world is a jungle indeed.
>>
>>
>> With beliefs like this, you are now eligible to be a member of the
>> AFRINIC board.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> Simply,
>> Daniel
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022, 18:32 Sylvain Baya, <abscoco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear PDWG,
>>> Hope this email finds you in good health!
>>>
>>> Please see my comments below, inline...
>>>
>>> Le vendredi 22 avril 2022, Daniel I. Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>> Thanks for your email, brother!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Have we amended the process of selecting/nominating/electing Co-Chairs
>>>> now?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Please process are you refering to?
>>>
>>> Remember that we had agreed that the procedure
>>> available to replace PDWG's Chairs is very open;
>>> and it's not seems to be a bug in the actual version
>>>  (1.6) of the PDP [1].
>>> __
>>> [1]: <https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process>
>>>
>>> As you know, the appropriate words are: *choose*,
>>> *nominate*, *select*, *selection*; and each of those
>>>  correspond to a particular situation about PDWG
>>> Chairs' tenure and replacement.
>>>
>>> Of course, in case of a replacement after a full
>>> mandate, the appropriate term is: "*nominate*
>>> during the PPM". Is it preventing the PDWG to do
>>> whatever it see fit before the PPM; in order to
>>> ensure itself that the *nomination* is successfully
>>> conducted during the up coming PPM?
>>>
>>> That's the question!
>>>
>>> <paste_CPM_section_3.3>
>>> 3.3  The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG)
>>>
>>> The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG) discusses the proposals.
>>> Anyone may participate via the Internet or in person. PDWG work is carried
>>> out through the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (rpd at afrinic.net)
>>> and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person,
>>> participating either in person or remotely, is considered to be part of the
>>> Policy Development Working Group.
>>>
>>> The Policy Development Working Group has two Chairs to perform its
>>> administrative functions. The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC
>>> community during the Public Policy Meeting and serve staggered two-year
>>> terms. The term ends during the first Public Policy Meeting corresponding
>>> to the end of the term for which they were appointed. A term may begin or
>>> end no sooner than the first day of the Public Policy Meeting and no later
>>> than the last day of the Public Policy Meeting as determined by the mutual
>>> agreement of the current Chair and the new Chair.
>>>
>>> If the Working Group Chair is unable to serve his or her full term, the
>>> Working Group may select a replacement to serve the remainder of the term.
>>> If the Working Group Chairs are unable to attend the Public Policy Meeting,
>>> the Working Group shall nominate a Chair for the session. Anyone present at
>>> the meeting, whether in person or by remote participation, may participate
>>> in the selection process for a temporary Chair.
>>> </paste_CPM_section_3.3>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Because the proposed activities and timeline looks extremely strange to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Please, could you elaborate on what you see as
>>> strange?
>>>
>>>
>>>> However, if I am missing something, please can i be referred to the
>>>> reviewed (new) document that says we can now select/nominate/elect
>>>> co-chairs on the mailing list.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's clearly not about a formal document/DPP :-/
>>>
>>> But if you want, feel free to propose a DPP to
>>> clarify what appeares to be void into the running
>>>  version of the CPM.
>>>
>>> ...i agree that the *nomination* is done during the
>>>  PPM, per CPM section 3.3, but what's preventing
>>> the PDWG to consensually prepare its success
>>> beforehand? It's exactely what's happening right
>>> now, imho!
>>> Please, see also early comment above.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Someone like me is beginning to loose interest
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ...i understand your say, and i sympatize, brother;
>>> but i don't think it's actually the case.
>>>
>>> It's rather a PDP flexibility which allows the PDWG
>>> to consensually and freely do things that could ameliorate its difficult
>>> conditions...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  with us conducting our activities without a standing guide.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you don't like that, still, interesting flexibility,
>>> imho! then i encourage you to submit a DPP.
>>>
>>>
>>> Clarifications on  is important and urgent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ...i hope this clarifies something!
>>>
>>> Also, i thank the Policy Liaison Team for the
>>> welcomed support provided to the PDWG to
>>> guarantee a soft transition to a new PDWG's Chair.
>>>
>>> Shalom,
>>> --sb.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Simply,
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>> On 21/04/2022 19:08, AFRINIC Policy Liaison wrote:
>>>>
>>>> *Dear PDWG,*
>>>>
>>>> *[...]*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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