<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 25, 2022, at 19:46 , Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" class="">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">@Owen,<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Just out of curiosity, how is it limited to a small number of people in a room?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Given the extreme variability of the quality and reliability of remote participation in AFRINIC meetings to date, I question the certainty of remote participants being truly enfranchised.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Are folks banned from attending the open meeting if they can afford to travel to the meeting location or try to join remotely? </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Not at all… See above.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">It is in anyway hindering the mass movement of folks who have no connection with PDWG and  will just come into the meeting room for voting purposes as it was previously gamed in the last Kampala meeting? <br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Actually, this was first encountered in the Dakar meeting, if memory serves. It was repeated in Nairobi.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>While it is repeatedly claimed that this occurred in Kampala, I haven’t seen any actual evidence to support this idea as the majority of people who I observed in the room for the co-chair vote were also actively participating on the policy proposals.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">I mean no offense but trying to understand your angle and perspective. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>No offense taken. These are legitimate questions and I believe they deserve full and complete answers which I have endeavored to provide above.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Unlike the AFRINIC board and staff, I favor transparency and an open process. I support a proper conduct of the elections on a fair basis.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Can you please shed some light on this logic of yours and how it is connected with voting rights / patterns and reasons for not endorsing a process? </div><div dir="auto" class="">I'm only curious. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Please let me know if you have any further questions.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto" class="">Caleb Ogundele<br class=""><br class="">________________<br class=""><br class="">Sent with thumbs from a small screen mobile device. <br class=""><br class="">Pelase exsuce typos adn errosr.</div></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 7:57 PM Owen DeLong via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">Ordinarily, I would encourage this. However, since attendance to the meeting in Mauritius has been severely limited to a small number of people, limiting participation in the election to those in the room would disenfranchise far too many PDWG members to be acceptable.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m not endorsing the proposed process, but merely pointing out that we have not yet arrived at a point where we can do an in-person in-the-room traditional election.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 25, 2022, at 10:15, Daniel I. Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class="">
  
    
  
  <div class=""><p class="">I am a resource member and definitely I do not agreed with the
      timelines been concocted. It is against everything democratic and
      openness. But I am not surprise, we are toeing the same path of
      our African Political Leaders, messing around with any guiding
      document, that supports good governance.</p><p class="">What I am saying, since there is going to be a PPM in May, we
      should do the right thing, conduct an
      election/nomination/choosing/imposition or whatever, during the
      PPM in Mauritius.</p><p class=""><br class="">
    </p><p class="">Simply <br class="">
    </p><p class="">Daniel<br class="">
    </p>
    <div class="">On 25/04/2022 15:17, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
      wrote:<br class="">
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      <div dir="ltr" class="">
        <div class="">You need to look in the mirror. </div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">Cheers. </div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">AK</div>
      </div>
      <br class="">
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:49
          PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
          wrote:<br class="">
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          <div dir="auto" class="">You can take the boy from the village but you
            can not take the village out of the boy. Tim Tufuga.
            <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div>
          </div>
          <br class="">
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 25 Apr 2022, 16:40
              ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE, <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
              wrote:<br class="">
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              <div dir="ltr" class="">Dear all, 
                <div class=""><br class="">
                </div>
                <div class=""><br class="">
                  <div class="">I have tried as much as possible not to make a
                    comment but it seems I have to comment on this as I
                    would also be making a comment on the other impunity
                    the board leadership have decided to plunge AFRINIC
                    into recently. </div>
                  <div class="">1.  This timeline is not acceptable because I
                    don't know how Co-chairs would emerge via the use of
                    the mailing list. It was tried last time what we
                    ended up having are impostors. Two people who
                    claimed they emerged as consensus candidates when
                    some others on the mailing did not agree.  I see no
                    consensus in the process.  Then I object to criteria
                    J. I see no reason for this. Endorsement from
                    resource members shows some form of affiliation.
                    co-chairs are not expected to be endorsed this way. </div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class="">@OWEN: I hope i am not eligible to be a board
                    member yet</div>
                  <div class="">Cheers </div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class="">AK</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <br class="">
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 24, 2022
                  at 6:37 AM Owen DeLong via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                  wrote:<br class="">
                </div>
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                  <div class=""><br class="">
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                      <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                        <div class="">On Apr 23, 2022, at 09:09 , Daniel Yakmut
                          via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                          wrote:</div>
                        <br class="">
                        <div class="">
                          <div dir="auto" class="">Dear Sylvain,
                            <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            <div dir="auto" class="">You answered my questions, 
                              we can do things when and how we like it.
                              It clearly also shows that we can
                              interpret laws and rules at our whims and
                              caprices.</div>
                            <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            <div dir="auto" class="">As I can see the spirit of
                              the letters of the CPM does not matter
                              anymore. </div>
                            <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            <div dir="auto" class="">The world is a jungle
                              indeed. </div>
                            <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      With beliefs like this, you are now eligible to be
                      a member of the AFRINIC board.</div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">Owen</div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                      <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                        <div class="">
                          <div dir="auto" class="">
                            <div dir="auto" class="">Simply,</div>
                            <div dir="auto" class="">Daniel</div>
                          </div>
                          <br class="">
                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 22
                              Apr 2022, 18:32 Sylvain Baya, <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
                              wrote:<br class="">
                            </div>
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear
                              PDWG,
                              <div class="">Hope this email finds you in good
                                health!</div>
                              <div class=""><br class="">
                              </div>
                              <div class="">Please see my comments below,
                                inline...</div>
                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                Le vendredi 22 avril 2022, Daniel I.
                                Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                a écrit :<br class="">
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                                  <div class=""><p class="">Dear All,</p>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">
                                  <div class="">Hi Daniel,</div>
                                  <div class="">Thanks for your email, brother!</div>
                                </div>
                                <div class=""> </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                  <div class=""><p class="">Have we amended the process of
                                      selecting/nominating/electing
                                      Co-Chairs now? </p><p class=""><br class="">
                                    </p>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">Please process are you refering to?</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">Remember that we had agreed that
                                  the procedure </div>
                                <div class="">available to replace PDWG's Chairs
                                  is very open; </div>
                                <div class="">and it's not seems to be a bug in
                                  the actual version</div>
                                <div class=""> (1.6) of the PDP [1].</div>
                                <div class="">__</div>
                                <div class="">[1]: <<a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process</a>></div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">As you know, the appropriate words
                                  are: *choose*, </div>
                                <div class="">*nominate*, *select*, *selection*;
                                  and each of those</div>
                                <div class=""> correspond to a particular
                                  situation about PDWG </div>
                                <div class="">Chairs' tenure and replacement.</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">Of course, in case of a replacement
                                  after a full </div>
                                <div class="">mandate, the appropriate term is:
                                  "*nominate* </div>
                                <div class="">during the PPM". Is it preventing
                                  the PDWG to do </div>
                                <div class="">whatever it see fit before the PPM;
                                  in order to </div>
                                <div class="">ensure itself that the *nomination*
                                  is successfully </div>
                                <div class="">conducted during the up coming PPM?<br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">That's the question!</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class=""><paste_CPM_section_3.3></div>
                                <div class="">
                                  <h3 style="padding:0.5em;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:1em;background:rgb(110,151,204);color:rgb(51,51,51)" class="">3.3  The
                                    Policy Development Working Group
                                    (PDWG)</h3><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px" class="">The
                                    Policy Development Working Group
                                    (PDWG) discusses the proposals.
                                    Anyone may participate via the
                                    Internet or in person. PDWG work is
                                    carried out through the Resource
                                    Policy Discussion mailing list (<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);text-decoration-line:underline" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>)
                                    and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public
                                    Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person,
                                    participating either in person or
                                    remotely, is considered to be part
                                    of the Policy Development Working
                                    Group.</p><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px" class="">The
                                    Policy Development Working Group has
                                    two Chairs to perform its
                                    administrative functions. The PDWG
                                    Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC
                                    community during the Public Policy
                                    Meeting and serve staggered two-year
                                    terms. The term ends during the
                                    first Public Policy Meeting
                                    corresponding to the end of the term
                                    for which they were appointed. A
                                    term may begin or end no sooner than
                                    the first day of the Public Policy
                                    Meeting and no later than the last
                                    day of the Public Policy Meeting as
                                    determined by the mutual agreement
                                    of the current Chair and the new
                                    Chair.</p><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px" class="">If
                                    the Working Group Chair is unable to
                                    serve his or her full term, the
                                    Working Group may select a
                                    replacement to serve the remainder
                                    of the term. If the Working Group
                                    Chairs are unable to attend the
                                    Public Policy Meeting, the Working
                                    Group shall nominate a Chair for the
                                    session. Anyone present at the
                                    meeting, whether in person or by
                                    remote participation, may
                                    participate in the selection process
                                    for a temporary Chair.</p>
                                </div>
                                <div class=""></paste_CPM_section_3.3></div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class=""> </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                  <div class=""><p class="">Because the proposed activities
                                      and timeline looks extremely
                                      strange to me. </p><p class=""><br class="">
                                    </p>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div class=""> </div>
                                <div class="">Please, could you elaborate on what
                                  you see as </div>
                                <div class="">strange?</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                  <div class=""><p class=""><br class="">
                                    </p><p class="">However, if I am missing
                                      something, please can i be
                                      referred to the reviewed (new)
                                      document that says we can now
                                      select/nominate/elect co-chairs on
                                      the mailing list.</p>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div class=""> </div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">It's clearly not about a formal
                                  document/DPP :-/</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">But if you want, feel free to
                                  propose a DPP to </div>
                                <div class="">clarify what appeares to be void
                                  into the running</div>
                                <div class=""> version of the CPM.</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">...i agree that the *nomination* is
                                  done during the</div>
                                <div class=""> PPM, per CPM section 3.3, but
                                  what's preventing </div>
                                <div class="">the PDWG to consensually prepare
                                  its success </div>
                                <div class="">beforehand? It's exactely what's
                                  happening right </div>
                                <div class="">now, imho!</div>
                                <div class="">Please, see also early comment
                                  above.</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class=""> </div>
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                                  <div class=""><p class="">Someone like me is beginning to
                                      loose interest</p><p class=""><br class="">
                                    </p>
                                  </div>
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                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">...i understand your say, and i
                                  sympatize, brother; </div>
                                <div class="">but i don't think it's actually the
                                  case.</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">It's rather a PDP flexibility which
                                  allows the PDWG </div>
                                <div class="">to consensually and freely do
                                  things that could ameliorate its
                                  difficult conditions...</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class=""> </div>
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                                  <div class=""><p class=""> with us conducting our
                                      activities without a standing
                                      guide.  </p><p class=""><br class="">
                                    </p>
                                  </div>
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                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">If you don't like that, still,
                                  interesting flexibility, </div>
                                <div class="">imho! then i encourage you to
                                  submit a DPP.</div>
                                <div class=""> </div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
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                                  <div class=""><p class="">Clarifications on  is important
                                      and urgent.</p><p class=""><br class="">
                                    </p>
                                  </div>
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                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">...i hope this clarifies something!</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">Also, i thank the Policy Liaison
                                  Team for the </div>
                                <div class="">welcomed support provided to the
                                  PDWG to </div>
                                <div class="">guarantee a soft transition to a
                                  new PDWG's Chair.</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">Shalom,</div>
                                <div class="">--sb.</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class=""> </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p class="">Simply,</p><p class="">Daniel<br class="">
                                  </p>
                                  <div class="">On 21/04/2022 19:08, AFRINIC
                                    Policy Liaison wrote:<br class="">
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                                    <div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><b style="font-weight:normal" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class="">Dear PDWG,</span></b></font></div>
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