<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 25, 2022, at 19:46 , Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" class="">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">@Owen,<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Just out of curiosity, how is it limited to a small number of people in a room?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Given the extreme variability of the quality and reliability of remote participation in AFRINIC meetings to date, I question the certainty of remote participants being truly enfranchised.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Are folks banned from attending the open meeting if they can afford to travel to the meeting location or try to join remotely? </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Not at all… See above.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">It is in anyway hindering the mass movement of folks who have no connection with PDWG and will just come into the meeting room for voting purposes as it was previously gamed in the last Kampala meeting? <br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Actually, this was first encountered in the Dakar meeting, if memory serves. It was repeated in Nairobi.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>While it is repeatedly claimed that this occurred in Kampala, I haven’t seen any actual evidence to support this idea as the majority of people who I observed in the room for the co-chair vote were also actively participating on the policy proposals.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">I mean no offense but trying to understand your angle and perspective. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>No offense taken. These are legitimate questions and I believe they deserve full and complete answers which I have endeavored to provide above.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Unlike the AFRINIC board and staff, I favor transparency and an open process. I support a proper conduct of the elections on a fair basis.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Can you please shed some light on this logic of yours and how it is connected with voting rights / patterns and reasons for not endorsing a process? </div><div dir="auto" class="">I'm only curious. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Please let me know if you have any further questions.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto" class="">Caleb Ogundele<br class=""><br class="">________________<br class=""><br class="">Sent with thumbs from a small screen mobile device. <br class=""><br class="">Pelase exsuce typos adn errosr.</div></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 7:57 PM Owen DeLong via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">Ordinarily, I would encourage this. However, since attendance to the meeting in Mauritius has been severely limited to a small number of people, limiting participation in the election to those in the room would disenfranchise far too many PDWG members to be acceptable.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m not endorsing the proposed process, but merely pointing out that we have not yet arrived at a point where we can do an in-person in-the-room traditional election.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 25, 2022, at 10:15, Daniel I. Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class="">
<div class=""><p class="">I am a resource member and definitely I do not agreed with the
timelines been concocted. It is against everything democratic and
openness. But I am not surprise, we are toeing the same path of
our African Political Leaders, messing around with any guiding
document, that supports good governance.</p><p class="">What I am saying, since there is going to be a PPM in May, we
should do the right thing, conduct an
election/nomination/choosing/imposition or whatever, during the
PPM in Mauritius.</p><p class=""><br class="">
</p><p class="">Simply <br class="">
</p><p class="">Daniel<br class="">
</p>
<div class="">On 25/04/2022 15:17, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div dir="ltr" class="">
<div class="">You need to look in the mirror. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Cheers. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">AK</div>
</div>
<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:49
PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto" class="">You can take the boy from the village but you
can not take the village out of the boy. Tim Tufuga.
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div>
</div>
<br class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 25 Apr 2022, 16:40
ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE, <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr" class="">Dear all,
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
<div class="">I have tried as much as possible not to make a
comment but it seems I have to comment on this as I
would also be making a comment on the other impunity
the board leadership have decided to plunge AFRINIC
into recently. </div>
<div class="">1. This timeline is not acceptable because I
don't know how Co-chairs would emerge via the use of
the mailing list. It was tried last time what we
ended up having are impostors. Two people who
claimed they emerged as consensus candidates when
some others on the mailing did not agree. I see no
consensus in the process. Then I object to criteria
J. I see no reason for this. Endorsement from
resource members shows some form of affiliation.
co-chairs are not expected to be endorsed this way. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">@OWEN: I hope i am not eligible to be a board
member yet</div>
<div class="">Cheers </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">AK</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 24, 2022
at 6:37 AM Owen DeLong via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><br class="">
<div class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">On Apr 23, 2022, at 09:09 , Daniel Yakmut
via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br class="">
<div class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">Dear Sylvain,
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">You answered my questions,
we can do things when and how we like it.
It clearly also shows that we can
interpret laws and rules at our whims and
caprices.</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">As I can see the spirit of
the letters of the CPM does not matter
anymore. </div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">The world is a jungle
indeed. </div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
With beliefs like this, you are now eligible to be
a member of the AFRINIC board.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Owen</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">Simply,</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">Daniel</div>
</div>
<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 22
Apr 2022, 18:32 Sylvain Baya, <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear
PDWG,
<div class="">Hope this email finds you in good
health!</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Please see my comments below,
inline...</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
Le vendredi 22 avril 2022, Daniel I.
Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
a écrit :<br class="">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class="">Dear All,</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">Hi Daniel,</div>
<div class="">Thanks for your email, brother!</div>
</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class="">Have we amended the process of
selecting/nominating/electing
Co-Chairs now? </p><p class=""><br class="">
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Please process are you refering to?</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Remember that we had agreed that
the procedure </div>
<div class="">available to replace PDWG's Chairs
is very open; </div>
<div class="">and it's not seems to be a bug in
the actual version</div>
<div class=""> (1.6) of the PDP [1].</div>
<div class="">__</div>
<div class="">[1]: <<a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process</a>></div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">As you know, the appropriate words
are: *choose*, </div>
<div class="">*nominate*, *select*, *selection*;
and each of those</div>
<div class=""> correspond to a particular
situation about PDWG </div>
<div class="">Chairs' tenure and replacement.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Of course, in case of a replacement
after a full </div>
<div class="">mandate, the appropriate term is:
"*nominate* </div>
<div class="">during the PPM". Is it preventing
the PDWG to do </div>
<div class="">whatever it see fit before the PPM;
in order to </div>
<div class="">ensure itself that the *nomination*
is successfully </div>
<div class="">conducted during the up coming PPM?<br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">That's the question!</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><paste_CPM_section_3.3></div>
<div class="">
<h3 style="padding:0.5em;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:1em;background:rgb(110,151,204);color:rgb(51,51,51)" class="">3.3 The
Policy Development Working Group
(PDWG)</h3><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px" class="">The
Policy Development Working Group
(PDWG) discusses the proposals.
Anyone may participate via the
Internet or in person. PDWG work is
carried out through the Resource
Policy Discussion mailing list (<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);text-decoration-line:underline" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>)
and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public
Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person,
participating either in person or
remotely, is considered to be part
of the Policy Development Working
Group.</p><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px" class="">The
Policy Development Working Group has
two Chairs to perform its
administrative functions. The PDWG
Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC
community during the Public Policy
Meeting and serve staggered two-year
terms. The term ends during the
first Public Policy Meeting
corresponding to the end of the term
for which they were appointed. A
term may begin or end no sooner than
the first day of the Public Policy
Meeting and no later than the last
day of the Public Policy Meeting as
determined by the mutual agreement
of the current Chair and the new
Chair.</p><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px" class="">If
the Working Group Chair is unable to
serve his or her full term, the
Working Group may select a
replacement to serve the remainder
of the term. If the Working Group
Chairs are unable to attend the
Public Policy Meeting, the Working
Group shall nominate a Chair for the
session. Anyone present at the
meeting, whether in person or by
remote participation, may
participate in the selection process
for a temporary Chair.</p>
</div>
<div class=""></paste_CPM_section_3.3></div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class="">Because the proposed activities
and timeline looks extremely
strange to me. </p><p class=""><br class="">
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class="">Please, could you elaborate on what
you see as </div>
<div class="">strange?</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class=""><br class="">
</p><p class="">However, if I am missing
something, please can i be
referred to the reviewed (new)
document that says we can now
select/nominate/elect co-chairs on
the mailing list.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">It's clearly not about a formal
document/DPP :-/</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">But if you want, feel free to
propose a DPP to </div>
<div class="">clarify what appeares to be void
into the running</div>
<div class=""> version of the CPM.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">...i agree that the *nomination* is
done during the</div>
<div class=""> PPM, per CPM section 3.3, but
what's preventing </div>
<div class="">the PDWG to consensually prepare
its success </div>
<div class="">beforehand? It's exactely what's
happening right </div>
<div class="">now, imho!</div>
<div class="">Please, see also early comment
above.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class="">Someone like me is beginning to
loose interest</p><p class=""><br class="">
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">...i understand your say, and i
sympatize, brother; </div>
<div class="">but i don't think it's actually the
case.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">It's rather a PDP flexibility which
allows the PDWG </div>
<div class="">to consensually and freely do
things that could ameliorate its
difficult conditions...</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class=""> with us conducting our
activities without a standing
guide. </p><p class=""><br class="">
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">If you don't like that, still,
interesting flexibility, </div>
<div class="">imho! then i encourage you to
submit a DPP.</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class="">Clarifications on is important
and urgent.</p><p class=""><br class="">
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">...i hope this clarifies something!</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Also, i thank the Policy Liaison
Team for the </div>
<div class="">welcomed support provided to the
PDWG to </div>
<div class="">guarantee a soft transition to a
new PDWG's Chair.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Shalom,</div>
<div class="">--sb.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p class="">Simply,</p><p class="">Daniel<br class="">
</p>
<div class="">On 21/04/2022 19:08, AFRINIC
Policy Liaison wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" class=""><p class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><b style="font-weight:normal" class=""> </b></font></p>
<div style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><b style="font-weight:normal" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" class="">Dear PDWG,</span></b></font></div>
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