[rpd] status of appeals submitted last January

[Sylvain Baya]

Dear PDWG,

Please see my comments below, inline...

Le jeudi 21 avril 2022, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a
écrit :

> Hi Sylvain,
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>
>
Hi Jordi,
Thanks for your email, brother!


> See below in-line.
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> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
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> El 21/4/22, 19:10, "Sylvain Baya" <abscoco at gmail.com> escribió:
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> [...]
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> Hi Jordi,
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> You are doing a good follow-up, brother.
>
> Thanks for you email.
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> If the AC decision will be too late for the Board to ratify the policy
> proposal before expires, we must know it *in advance* as we must take
> decisions
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> How the PDWG could know it in advance? Or any one :-/
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> ...and which decisions the PDWG must take?
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>
>
> Please clarify, brother.
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> [Jordi] Yes, we can know in advance. The AC can say when they have their
> next meeting to resolve it. Then the Board can say if they can have a
> meeting to ratify it. Planning is easy when there is willingness to do so.
>
>
>
Ok! i understand that you ask for a early
planification, of the work of the PDWG's AC;
 aligned with the whole timings provided by the
CPM for DPP's lifecycles.

These precisions are not yet part of the actual
version of the CPM...so, the right fix might be to
write and submit a DPP to align all those timings.



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>  before the timings will disallow taking actions before the next PPM (for
> example, if the option to publish a new version without changes is
> acceptable
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> OK! but you don't need a permission to do exactly this :-/
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> [Jordi] I don’t think so. If I publish a new version, the staff/co-chairs
> can interpret that as I’m resigning from the actual consensus.
>
>
> What a strange conclusion/guess :-/
...again, let's read the PDP [1] once more, to see if
 there is any serious need for interpretation out
there...regarding the issue at hand.
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[1]: <https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process>
 "
3.4  Policy Development Process
Anyone can submit a proposal. Policy proposals are submitted to the
Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (rpd at afrinic.net) by the author.
AFRINIC will provide administrative support and assist the author(s) in
drafting the proposal if requested. AFRINIC shall also provide relevant
facts and statistics if requested during the discussion.[...]"

I shall only publish a new version if they agree that this is the way to go
> in case the Board can’t ratify it once expired … It all depends in lots of
> timing and CPM interpretation details, and we as a WG, can only know if
> they (AC, board, staff, co-chairs), speak-up.
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>
>
> ...sure, resubmitting a DPP's which has reached
consensus, but being under an appeal, could be
seen as a waste of time for the PDWG...but, the
traffic generated may be near to nill if no one who
 already know the story of that DPP touch it again...
 adding that author(s) have the opportunity to
submit it with a brief introduction mentioning its
actual context and recommending to those who
have already read it to simply pass through.



> Actually, all this happened because the process was paused,
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>
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Yes! having such a pause is not in opposition with
 the PDP; due the flexibility of the timings..


> against the CPM, when the appeal was first submitted. The CPM doesn’t say
> anything about “when there is an appeal the last-call can’t be started”. I
> warned about it, asked several times in the list why it was done this
> “pause”, and never got a response. It is a very easy way to enter into a
> never ending dead-end.
>
>
...it's our *responsibility* to discover issues; then
we *should* start to work around a consensual fix.


>
>
> When there is an appeal, the only think can’t happen is a “forceable
> ratification+implementation” until the appeal is completed. That’s why one
> of my suggestions to resolve this, is for the Board to actually ratify it
> with a kind of “waiver” statement that indicates “in case of the AC failing
> against the consensus decision, the ratification will be invalidated”.
>
>
...i prefer to keep my comment :-/


>
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> - which may imply the agreement of the PDWG chairs - we can't miss also
> the relevant deadline before the PPM).
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> Jordi, i understand the timing problem you are
>
> raising; but what can be done, right now?
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> [Jordi] I’ve proposed several solutions. Without responses from all the
> involved parties, we can’t decide what is feasible and what not.
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...if it's not a formal DPP, then don't complain if
others decide to simply ignore it.

Shalom,
--sb.


>
>
> So, we definitively need a *very urgent* response from all the involved
> parties:
> - AC
> - Board
> - PDWG chairs
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>
>
> ...i expect no addition from their comments. You
>
> know the truth and you know how to fix the issue
>
> you discovered...why do you want to set a preceding?
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> - Staff (on the interpretation of the CPM timings on this case)
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> An "interpretation" for what purpose?
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> The running version (v1.6) of the CPM is clearly
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> lacking a policy to properly handle the issue you actually described very
> precisely. There we are...
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> and it's fine that we have had the opportunity to finally discover it.
> Sure, we are not perfect!
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> Time to fix, then?
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>
>
> ...a Draft Policy Proposal (DPP) content could be something like the
> following text:
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>
>
> <DPP_Formulation_for_the_CPM>
>
> Notwithstanding the PDP and the normal lifecycle of a DPP, when the PDWG's
> Appeal Committee confirms that a DPP is under an appeal; the counter
> measuring the lifecycle of that DPP is automatically stopped. Its counter
> is automatically released when the PDWG's AC publishes a final
> determination about that appeal.
>
> </DPP_Formulation_for_the_CPM>
>
>
>
> ...under CC0!
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> Shalom,
>
> --sb.
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> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
> El 21/4/22, 12:39, "chair at afrinic.net" <chair at afrinic.net> escribió:
>
>     Dear Mr Palet,
>
>     The Board of Directors met yesterday and appointed a Policy
>     Development Appeal Committee.
>
>     Updates to the web page is a day to day matter.
>
>     I'll defer to the Policy Development Appeal Committee on the other
>     questions as those questions may fall under its purview.
>
>     Regards,
>     S. Moonesamy
>
>     Board Chair, AFRINIC
> [...]
>
>
>
>

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