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<p>I totally agree with you. Nothing wrong with an abuse mailbox
that is known to work - because it is tested. Are some people
trying to hide from abuse so they can claim their innocence? In
South Africa, ISP's have almost a competition to see who can
answer abuse calls the fastest when ISPA does their yearly test.
Surly this is the correct attitude.<br>
I still support this Policy.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/11/22 8:09 AM, Fernando Frediani
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<p>Reading these messages I have been wondering why all this
complaining about having a simple abuse mailbox working.</p>
<p>How can people forget that operating an Autonomous System
requires a minimum set of responsibilities ? Operating in a
Interconnected environment that actions many claim coming from
their "operational freedom" may affect other Autonomous Systems?
Why is it too easy to keep thinking people operating these
Autonomous Systems should not render accounts to anyone and do
whatever they like without having to respond for anything ?</p>
<p>Also it seems that usual: that some of the people that keep
complaning about have to have an absuse mailbox working
(something quiet obvious) don't seem to have properly read the
proposal. Just got the ideal based on the subject and of some
messages and reply against it. That must be some type o
responsibility to Autonomous Systems. Internet is not a lawless
space. If one wants to operate an Autonomous System, must
operate with responsability and that has nothing to do with
"freedom to operate their network as they wish".</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/01/2022 01:51, Rachel Tubog
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<div>I am well-aware of this but thanks for your advice
anyway. I don't see the extra benefits that can be brought
by an extra mandatory abuse-mailbox. If the operators prefer
to use forms for reports as a means of abuse, that's their
choice and freedom to do so. There is no extra value added
for having the abuse-mailbox.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>R.T.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 6:09
PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"
lang="EN-US">Again, please, read the policy text. Is
not taking a position on what is and what not abuse.
See the videos with the presentations and email
archive. It has been explained over and over.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
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style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El
9/1/22 15:18, "Rachel Tubog" <<a
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all,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">How
can AFRINIC force any member to reply to the « abuse
» if AFRINIC cannot determine what is considered an
abuse and what is not? Especially that the
definition of a criminal/legal activity differs from
one jurisdiction to another… It is up to the member
to define what they think is acceptable in their
network<br>
operation and how they choose to react to it, so I’m
not sure I get what value this policy adds exactly.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Greetings!</p>
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Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 10:21 PM Mathanya Ramaboea
<<a href="mailto:mathanyawork@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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needs to go back to discussion for the next
PPM since the concerns are still the same
and remain unsolved. </p>
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style="margin-left:35.4pt">Afrinic shouldn’t
be the one deciding how network holders
manage their abuse mailbox. Each one has the
right to determine what to reply to and what
to ignore and based on that, the whole
purpose of this policy is pointless
especially if AFRINIC cannot determine what
is considered an abuse and what is not. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On
Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 15:06, Ibeanusi Elvis <<a
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All, <br>
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Handling the issue of abuse has been an ISSUE
itself that the AFRINIC organization has found
difficult to solve since the start. <br>
Without overstepping or being considered
intrusive, they could get members to publish
their mailbox instead of consistently adopting
and implementing unnecessary. unworthy and
wasteful policies.<br>
On the other hand, there is an alternative,
which by simply publishing the mailboxes of
their members while being careful and mindful
of being regarded as intrusive to members. The
General Abuse Contact Policy will present this
result and effect. <br>
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Elvis. <br>
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> On Jan 6, 2022, at 23:21, PDWG Chair <<a
href="mailto:vincent@ngundi.me.ke"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Dear AFRINIC PDWG,<br>
> <br>
> As per our announcement on 8 June
2021[1], the Last Call period of the proposal
Abuse Contact Policy Update
AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07 would have ended on
19th June 2021 at 2359UTC but an appeal was
lodged on 16 June 2021, four (4) days before
the close of the Last Call period. Now that
the Appeal Committee has published its report,
we wish to announce that the Last Call period
for the proposal Abuse Contact Policy Update
AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07 has been extended
by four (4) days, and therefore closes on 09th
January 2022 at 23:59 UTC.<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for your continued
participation in this process.<br>
> <br>
> Kind Regards<br>
> Vincent Ngundi and Darwin Da Costa<br>
> AFRINIC PDWG Chairs<br>
> <br>
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