[rpd] [members-discuss] Afrinic Court Updates

[Owen DeLong]

> On Nov 29, 2021, at 12:26 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
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> Dude, the issue is simple, is there a transfer policy in place or not?    Are there transfer policies in other regions or not? 
> 
> Intra-RIR or Inter-RIR is a different discussion.  And as for the monopoly, the RIR system is what it is, get over it.

Individual RIRs are monopolies unless they have an inter-RIR transfer policy. It’s that simple.

There is currently exactly one RIR that still lacks such a policy.

It’s not a separate discussion.

Owen

> 
> Noah
> 
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 11:17 PM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> An intra-RIR transfer policy does not eliminate the monopoly status.
> 
> It requires an inter-RIR policy to do that.
> 
> Are you really so ignorant or are you merely hoping that your attempt at obfuscation and sophistry would not be revealed for what it is?
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2021, at 12:04 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
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>> I refer you to section 5.7 of the CPM. It's a fact that AFRINIC has a transfer policy in place albeit Intra-RIR.  So where is the absence of the transfer policy the man is talking about?
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>> I suppose it's you who was ignorant of that fact.
>> 
>> Noah
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 10:29 PM Paul Hjul <hjul.paul at gmail.com <mailto:hjul.paul at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> You really shouldn't accuse somebody of making a "misrepresentation of facts" if your starting position is one of ignorance. 
>> 
>> I don't know whether you are genuinely ignorant or are simply dishonest. 
>> 
>> In any case waiting for the written indication of the co-chairs pushing to final call as the working group has quite definitively not agreed. 
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>> On which note its probably best to ask in the mailing list when we can expect the co-chairs to put out the last call. 
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>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, 20:39 Noah, <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, 10:26 Andrew Alston via Members-Discuss, <members-discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:members-discuss at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> RIR’s are defacto monopolies in the absence of transfer policies –
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>> 
>> Your statement above is misrepresentation of facts. 
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>> There is an existing Intra-RIR transfer policy where resource members within the AFRINIC service region can transfer anywhere within the region number resources.
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>> once they have transfer policies – they are no longer monopolies since anyone can transfer anywhere.
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>> In the last PPM, after years of discussions as is common with the policy development process, the working group finally agreed on an Inter-RIR transfer policy which has since reached rough consensus and in last call.
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>> So what are you talking about?
>> 
>> Noah
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