[rpd] Policy Proposal: PDP Working Group (WG) Guidelines and Procedures - Draft03

[Noah]

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:44 AM Paul Hjul <hjul.paul at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hello PDWG Members,
> >>
> >> Please note that this new version of the policy Proposal - PDP Working
> >>> Group and Guidelines from authors Noah Maina and Alain Aina has been
> given
> >>> the ID AFPUB-2020-GEN-002-DRAFT04
> >>
> >> The proposal contents are published at:
> >>> https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-002-d4 <
> >>> https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-002-d4>
> >>
> >> Kind Regards,
> >>
> >> PDWG Co-Chairs.
> >>
> >>
> > This policy proposal is in conflict with the proposal
> >  AFPUB-2021-GEN-002-DRAFT02
> >
>
> The proposal  AFPUB-2021-GEN-002-DRAFT02
>> https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2021-gen-002-d2#revision-history was
>> introduced on 10 Oct 2021 and is recent while the
>> proposal AFPUB-2020-GEN-002-DRAFT04
>> https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-002-d4#revision-history
>>  dates
>> back to July 2020.
>
>
>
>> Looking the revision history.
>
>
>
>> Noah
>
>
> Who ever suggested otherwise ? Stupid ideas, like stupid peope don't get
> less stupid with age.
>
> You are injecting an argument not being made and trying to make a
> fallacious and disreputable argument in its place. I said that "I do not
> see how rough consensus (yet alone consensus) can be reached on both
> policies. As the latter proposal is considerably closer to an alignment
> with the values which should underpin Afrinic; it has my reservation
> carrying support." No assertion that the proposal is out of order or cannot
> be made due to it conflicting with a later proposal rather that the
> divergence is such that only one of the two proposals can attain rough
> consensus.
>

I have taken note of your humble opinion.


>
> It is an absolute fallacy that earlier proposals are to be prefered over
> later more meritous ones. What should be valued is whether a proposal is
> well reasoned and can enjoy the broad support of the community. The
> exchange of emails until you've entered the room makes it very clear that
> the proposal AFPUB-2021-GEN-002-DRAFT02 does enjoy such support.
>

 I have taken note of your humble opinion.

This email followed my email at *Mon Nov 15 12:20:01 UTC 2021 *with a
> subject "New Version of Policy Proposal - Update of PDP (Draft-2) -
> AFPUB-2021-GEN-002-DRAFT02" wherein I express my support (reservered but
> nonetheless) for same policy.
>
> Whether (as Jordi suggests) and you appear to deny - or at least feign
> ignorance - efforts were made to de-conflict the two proposals really
> doesn't matter
>

It matters which is why I pointed to Jordi as to what he was talking about?
Perhaps I forgot but I quite don't remember.


> to the fact that once somebody concurs with the later policy it is
> untenable to concur with this one making rough consensus on the policy
> impossible to achieve.
>

> Hopefully the quite fruitful engagements on this list over the last two
> days can continue into the meetings over the next few days and the
> organizational culture can be repaired sufficiently well to be able to
> start unpacking and resolving other problems.
>

I honestly haven't had time to read all the emails.

Noah
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