[rpd] Fwd: PDWG Co-Chairs Recall Request

[Lamiaa Chnayti]

Hey Jordi,


Please see my comments inline,



*"The recall process is part of a PDP section devoted to conflict
resolution with the chairs (3.5).*



*Part A of the recall document is describing facts that are not “chairs”
attributions, but decisions of the community, which have been supported by
the staff and confirmed by the Board. So, for those arguments to be taken
in consideration, you should use some alternative procedure, as the chairs
were NOT responsible of their own selection decision, they just volunteered
for that."*



- I do not agree with that. The *3.5.3 section* on the recall request does
not specify that it is devoted to conflict resolution *with the chairs*.
Only appeals are limited to conflicts with the actions of the chairs, and
not the recall request. Therefore, part A of the recall document is
essential, since it addresses the illegitimacy of the elections that have
provided the current co-chairs with the position they are now serving and
which is requested for recall.



*"You mention that the chairs do not understand their duties, but you don’t
probe that. In the previous recall it was clear that they were
miss-interpreting the PDP, which I don’t think it has been the case in the
consensus determination of the AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03."*



-Before consensus determination, the basic duty of the co-chairs is to make
sure every aspect of the proposed policies is complete and addressed,
especially the technical one so as to ensure a proper implementation. And
this wasn’t the case with the AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03. Having to extend
the last call period in order to request the technical input, which is an
integral part that must be considered before declaring consensus on the
policy, shows a serious lack of understanding and acknowledgement of the
PDP and its basic requirements.




*"Otherwise, you can bomb the PDWG with both, at the same time, recall
processes and appeals, for every decision made by the co-chairs, which
clearly is out of order and out of the correct PDP process follow up."*



Firstly, there is absolutely nothing prohibiting filing both an appeal and
a request to recall the PDWG co-chairs at the same time, as they do not
serve the same purpose and do not have the same outcome. In fact, the last
request to recall the ex PDWG co-chairs was accompanied with several
appeals. The same group of people that has filed the recall request was the
same one that has filed one of the appeals, and both were taken into
account by their respective committees and have followed their respective
process. So basically, nothing here is incorrect or violating the PDP.



Best regards,
Lamiaa


On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 at 08:07, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
wrote:


> In my opinion this recall is broken in many aspects.

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>

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> The recall process is part of a PDP section devoted to conflict resolution

> with the chairs (3.5).

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>

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> Part A of the recall document is describing facts that are not “chairs”

> attributions, but decisions of the community, which have been supported by

> the staff and confirmed by the Board. So, for those arguments to be taken

> in consideration, you should use some alternative procedure, as the chairs

> were NOT responsible of their own selection decision, they just volunteered

> for that.

>

>

>

> In your part B, you’re trying to use the fact that, in opinion of some

> community members, the chairs erred about the consensus determination in a

> proposal, with has been already appealed.

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> You mention that the chairs do not understand their duties, but you don’t

> probe that. In the previous recall it was clear that they were

> miss-interpreting the PDP, which I don’t think it has been the case in the

> consensus determination of the AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.

>

>

>

> If you disagree with the consensus determination (as you’re doing in all

> the rationale of your section B), the right procedure is not a recall

> process, but an appeal, as already done, strictly following 3.5.

>

>

>

> Otherwise, you can bomb the PDWG with both, at the same time, recall

> processes and appeals, for every decision made by the co-chairs, which

> clearly is out of order and out of the correct PDP process follow up.

>

>

>

> I urge the Board to determine if, on the same topic, both an Appeal and a

> Recall can be instated, so we avoid wasting more precious PDWG time.

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>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

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> Dear community,

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>

>

> I have recently sent a request to the Afrinic Board of Directors to recall

> the PDWG co-chairs, based on their recent actions on both the last policy

> meeting and the RPD list, that have proven their inability to effectively

> perform their duties to comply with the process and address the concerns

> expressed on certain policies.

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> For the community's information, I have forwarded below my email to the

> board, along with their response acknowledging the recall request, which

> will be discussed at the board's meeting on August 18th.

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>

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> Also, please find attached the PDF document outlining the recall request's

> detailed arguments and justifications.

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> Best regards,

>

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>

> Lamiaa

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>

> *Forwarded Conversation*

> *Subject: PDWG Co-Chairs Recall Request*

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> From: *Lamiaa Chnayti* <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>

> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 11:46

> To: Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net>, <board at afrinic.net>

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>

>

> Dear Afrinic Board of Directors,

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>

>

> I am writing this email on behalf of myself and other community members, enlisted on the attached document, to request the recall of the current PDWG co-chairs. Their recent actions on both the last policy meeting and the RPD list have proved their inability to effectively perform their duties to comply with the process and address the concerns expressed on certain policies.

>

> Therefore, in order to reinstate the stability of the process of the PDWG, we find it necessary to request the recall of the current co-chairs and replace them.

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> Please find attached the document outlining the appropriate justifications and supporting arguments of our demand.

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> Best regards,

>

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>

> Lamiaa

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> From: <chair at afrinic.net>

> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 12:20

> To: Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>

> Cc: <board at afrinic.net>

>

>

>

> Dear Ms Chnayti,

>

> The Board received a request from you to recall the PDWG

> co-Chairs.  The matter will be on the Board agenda at the meeting

> scheduled for 18 August.

>

> I will inform the PDWG co-Chairs about your request as a matter of

> fairness.

>

> Regards,

> S. Moonesamy

>

> Board Chair, AFRINIC

>

>

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