<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span lang="EN-US" style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="">Hey Jordi, </font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Please see my comments inline,</font></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#666666"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="">"The recall
process is part of a PDP section devoted to conflict resolution with the chairs
(3.5).</span></i><i><span lang="ES" style=""></span></i></font></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><i><span lang="EN-US" style=""><font color="#666666">Part A of the
recall document is describing facts that are not “chairs” attributions, but
decisions of the community, which have been supported by the staff and
confirmed by the Board. So, for those arguments to be taken in consideration,
you should use some alternative procedure, as the chairs were NOT responsible
of their own selection decision, they just volunteered for that."</font></span></i><i><span lang="ES" style=""></span></i></font></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span lang="ES"><font face="arial, sans-serif">- I do not agree
with that. The <b>3.5.3 section</b> on the recall request does not specify that it is
devoted to conflict resolution <b>with the chairs</b>. Only appeals are limited to
conflicts with the actions of the chairs, and not the recall request. </font></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Therefore, part A
of the recall document is essential, since it addresses the illegitimacy of the
elections that have provided the current co-chairs with the position they are
now serving and which is requested for recall.</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#666666">"You mention that the chairs do not understand their
duties, but you don’t probe that. In the previous recall it was clear that they
were miss-interpreting the PDP, which I don’t think it has been the case in the
consensus determination of the AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03."</font></span></i></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif"> </font></span></i></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif">-Before consensus determination, the basic duty of the
co-chairs is to make sure every aspect of the proposed policies is complete and
addressed, especially the technical one so as to ensure a proper
implementation. And this wasn’t the case with the AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03. Having
to extend the last call period in order to request the technical input, which is
an integral part that must be considered before declaring consensus on the
policy, shows a serious lack of understanding and acknowledgement of the PDP
and its basic requirements.</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style=""><i><font color="#666666">"Otherwise, you can bomb the PDWG with both, at the same time, recall
processes and appeals, for every decision made by the co-chairs, which clearly
is out of order and out of the correct PDP process follow up."</font></i></span><span lang="ES" style=""></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span lang="ES" style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif"> </font></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span lang="ES" style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif">Firstly,
there is absolutely nothing prohibiting filing both an appeal and a request to
recall the PDWG co-chairs at the same time, as they do not serve the same
purpose and do not have the same outcome. In fact, the last request to recall
the ex PDWG co-chairs was accompanied with several appeals. The same group of
people that has filed the recall request was the same one that has filed one of
the appeals, and both were taken into account by their respective committees
and have followed their respective process. So basically, nothing here is incorrect or violating the PDP.</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span lang="ES" style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span lang="ES" style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span lang="ES" style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif">Best regards,</font></span></p><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Lamiaa </font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 at 08:07, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="gmail-m_-3641322909533121225WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">In my opinion this recall is broken in many aspects.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">The recall process is part of a PDP section devoted to conflict resolution with the chairs (3.5).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Part A of the recall document is describing facts that are not “chairs” attributions, but decisions of the community, which have been supported by the staff and confirmed by the Board. So, for those arguments to be taken in consideration, you should use some alternative procedure, as the chairs were NOT responsible of their own selection decision, they just volunteered for that.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">In your part B, you’re trying to use the fact that, in opinion of some community members, the chairs erred about the consensus determination in a proposal, with has been already appealed.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">You mention that the chairs do not understand their duties, but you don’t probe that. In the previous recall it was clear that they were miss-interpreting the PDP, which I don’t think it has been the case in the consensus determination of the AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">If you disagree with the consensus determination (as you’re doing in all the rationale of your section B), the right procedure is not a recall process, but an appeal, as already done, strictly following 3.5.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Otherwise, you can bomb the PDWG with both, at the same time, recall processes and appeals, for every decision made by the co-chairs, which clearly is out of order and out of the correct PDP process follow up.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">I urge the Board to determine if, on the same topic, both an Appeal and a Recall can be instated, so we avoid wasting more precious PDWG time.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear community,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I have recently sent a request to the Afrinic Board of Directors to recall the PDWG co-chairs, based on their<span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"> recent actions on both the last policy meeting and the RPD list, that have proven their inability to effectively perform their duties to comply with the process and address the concerns expressed on certain policies.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)">For the community's information, I have forwarded below my email to the board, along with their response acknowledging the recall request, which will be discussed at the board's meeting on August 18th.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)">Also, please find attached the PDF document outlining the recall request's detailed arguments and justifications.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)">Best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)">Lamiaa</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span style="font-size:18pt">Forwarded Conversation</span></b><br><b>Subject: PDWG Co-Chairs Recall Request</b><br>------------------------<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">From: <strong><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Lamiaa Chnayti</span></strong> <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 11:46<br>To: Eddy Kayihura <<a href="mailto:eddy@afrinic.net" target="_blank">eddy@afrinic.net</a>>, <<a href="mailto:board@afrinic.net" target="_blank">board@afrinic.net</a>><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline;box-sizing:border-box;outline:0px;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)">Dear Afrinic Board of Directors,<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline;box-sizing:border-box;outline:0px;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"><br><br>I am writing this email on behalf of myself and other community members, enlisted on the attached document, to request the recall of the current PDWG co-chairs. Their recent actions on both the last policy meeting and the RPD list have proved their inability to effectively perform their duties to comply with the process and address the concerns expressed on certain policies.<br><br>Therefore, in order to reinstate the stability of the process of the PDWG, we find it necessary to request the recall of the current co-chairs and replace them.<br><br>Please find attached the document outlining the appropriate justifications and supporting arguments of our demand.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style="margin-right:19.5pt;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline;box-sizing:border-box;outline:0px;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="color:rgb(21,21,21)"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Lamiaa</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">----------<br>From: <<a href="mailto:chair@afrinic.net" target="_blank">chair@afrinic.net</a>><br>Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 12:20<br>To: Lamiaa Chnayti <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: <<a href="mailto:board@afrinic.net" target="_blank">board@afrinic.net</a>><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br>Dear Ms Chnayti,<br><br>The Board received a request from you to recall the PDWG <br>co-Chairs.  The matter will be on the Board agenda at the meeting <br>scheduled for 18 August.<br><br>I will inform the PDWG co-Chairs about your request as a matter of fairness.<br><br>Regards,<br>S. Moonesamy<br><br>Board Chair, AFRINIC <br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <u></u><u></u></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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