[rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.

[Arnaud AMELINA]

Je vais essayer de répondre à tous tes messages de propagande diffuser sur
les listes dubmieux que je peux en les résumant avec quelques mots.

Déni, diffamation, outrages, désinformations ...

Déni : parce que tu passes ton temps à nier toutes les évidences présentées
par les différentes déclarations faites par les contributeurs sur ces
listes, qui ont plus de compréhension que toi dans le domain, ou bien tu
fais exprès de nier.

Diffamation : si ma compréhension est bonne de ce terme, tu ments sur le
compte du Board, qui j'en suis sûr ce base sur les conseils de ses juristes
pour prendre des décisions, c'est une vielle stratégie connue pour choquer
l'opinion des membres de la communauté afin de les opposer à leur Board, ça
échouera, pour ne pas dire que, jusque là tu as échoué.

Outrage: tu passes ton temps à dénigrer les dirigeants et staff d'Afrinic
tout ça pour choquer l'opinion, vielle stratégie aussi, c'est pour ça que
je t'ai invité à les respecter car c'est la communauté qui les a désigné
pour défendre ses intérêts, ce n'est pas parce que ton client a des
problèmes que tu vas les agresser de la sorte.

Désinformations : tu utilises aussi le principe de fakenews pour faire
passer ton opinion, ta compréhension des choses comme une réalité, ça aussi
c'est connu, c'est une vieille stratégie utilisée par les colons contre les
indigènes. Tu fais croire que les ressources n'ont pas été réclamées comme
propriété par ton client alors tout ce que je constate c'est le contraire.
S'il a compris que ces ressources n'étaient pas sa propriété, il n'aurait
pas pris le risque des les vendre à l'extérieur de la région Afrique. S'il
avait l'intention de les utiliser en Afrique il aurait pris un ASN, ce qui
n'est pas son cas, pour bien camoufler son forfait.

Tu as une interprétation souvent très erronées des réalités de l'écosystème
africain et de nos textes que penses pouvoir manipuler à ta guise, si c'est
sur la base de tes raisonnements que tes clients font des actions en
justices j'ai bien peur qu'ils irront droit dans le mur c'est mon opinion
personnelle.

Donc mon Cher Owen, ne pense pas que tu détiens la science infuse, tu n'es
pas un érudit dont on doit prendre les opinions comme réalité.

--
Arnaud


Le mar. 27 juil. 2021 à 01:11, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> a écrit :


> There are lots of legitimate uses of IP addresses without having your own

> unique ASN.

>

> The current board is one of the least transparent and least responsible in

> AFRINIC history.

>

> They have utterly failed to read the governing documents as written,

> instead clinging to some belief system

> that is not supported by the governing documents. They have allowed a CEO

> to remain in his position after

> violating a court order putting them in a position of potentially being

> convicted of contempt of court.

>

> They have insisted on carrying out an irresponsible war against a resource

> member based on their utter

> inability to read their own governing documents as written.

>

> If these so-called “lawless capitalists” are so lawless, then why is it

> that they are not the ones facing

> potential criminal charges? If they are so lawless, why are the courts

> granting their every request

> and rejecting AFRINIC’s opposition at virtually every turn?

>

> Indeed, I would say that I have it exactly correct in calling this board

> irresponsible and I also have it

> right about who is and is not following the law.

>

> So, stop disrespecting those who oppose you and look beyond your ad

> hominem attacks and your

> blind faith that the rules say what you want them to say and actually

> consider what is truly written

> in the CPM, bylaws, and RSA.

>

> I do not believe I have disrespected anyone beyond making factual

> accusations about their

> behavior. If you consider my factual accusations about certain behaviors

> to be disrespectful, then

> doesn’t that say more about the behaviors themselves than about my

> accusations?

>

> Owen

>

>

> On Jul 24, 2021, at 01:46 , Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Cher Owen,

>

> Je pense que tu te trompe de cible en terme d'irresponsabilité. Ceux qui

> étaient au board au moment où Le Board aurait autorisé la remise de

> plusieurs millions d'adresses IP à une entreprise qui n'a même pas jugé

> utile d'avoir un ASN, sont les vrais irresponsables et ils se connaissent.

> Le Board actuel est l'un des plus responsable qu'on est eu. Car ils se

> battent pour la souveraineté des ressources africaines qui ont été capturé

> par un groupe de capitalistes sans foi ni loi qui ne pensent qu'à leur

> intérêt personnel soutenus par quelques frères africains corrompus.

>

> C'est ça la réalité, donc arrête tes insinuations et cesses de dénigrer et

> de manquer du respect à notre équipe du Board. C'est un comportement de

> Colon que tu es entrain d'avoir. Don  arrête ça tu peut défendre ton client

> sans manquer du respect à ceux que la communauté à désigné pour défendre

> ses intérêts.

>

> À bon entendeur salut !

>

> --

> Arnaud

>

> Le sam. 24 juil. 2021 à 03:44, Owen DeLong via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a

> écrit :

>

>> There’s a big difference between taking away the toys/weapons an

>> irresponsible teenager already has (though I’m

>> not sure that’s necessarily a bad idea at this point) and hading them new

>> deadly weapons.

>>

>> This proposal seeks to hand them a new weapon with far greater and more

>> damaging effect than any of the tools

>> presently in their hands.

>>

>> Sure, we should look for ways to take away the BB guns, but handing them

>> a Howitzer still remains irresponsible.

>>

>> The board can’t ratify this proposal if we never send it to them.

>>

>> Owen

>>

>>

>> On Jul 23, 2021, at 13:13 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Should we then cancel all the CPM parts can be used in bad faith or

>> wrongly? We need a policy proposal for that. And then the Board can decide

>> not to ratify it …

>>

>> Should also cancel the internal procedure that AFRINIC has designed for

>> recovering resources. That is not in the scope “right now” of the policy

>> manual, so we should set in-scope via a policy proposal. However, it looks

>> like the Board could also decide not to ratify it …

>>

>> Our problem is now a bigger one than this policy, that in the best case

>> will take 8-9 months to be implemented.

>>

>> In that time, we must make sure that the overal problem is resolved

>> instead of investing in getting this policy down (and the full CPM down).

>> It is a more wise usage of resources.

>>

>> And if we believe that AFRINIC is acting against the community, at least

>> I’m starting to believe that, lacking responses, then we should escalate to

>> ICANN.

>>

>> Regars,

>>

>> Jordi

>>

>> @jordipalet

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> El 23/7/21 21:51, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> escribió:

>>

>> Sure,

>>

>> However, in the case of this specific policy which would allow RPKI to be

>> weaponized by AFRINIC, I think it

>> is irresponsible to hand a loaded howitzer to an irresponsible teenager.

>>

>> Owen

>>

>>

>>

>> On Jul 22, 2021, at 08:20 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Owen,

>>

>> I don’t have all the details in my hands to judge if all was done

>> correctly or not.

>>

>> Even if I trust you, I think we should agree that this is a major problem

>> and not any specific policy.

>>

>> So, we should find the way to resolve that in a wider way, including a

>> very clear and diligent responsivity from the board. Right now, I’ve been

>> waiting for responses to my two previous emails from 14 and 15th July. I

>> think one week is more than sufficient to respond.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Jordi

>>

>> @jordipalet

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> El 22/7/21 16:54, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> escribió:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Begin forwarded message:

>>

>> *From: *JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> *Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned

>> AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.*

>> *Date: *July 22, 2021 at 00:16:48 PDT

>> *To: *"rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> *Reply-To: *JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>

>>

>> Hi Owen,

>>

>> I don’t know, as many in the list, all the details and the real “true”

>> (not one side, not the other), about the recent case.

>>

>> However, what I can say is that AFRINIC indicated in this case, that they

>> will keep the resources in use for additional 3 months so customers aren’t

>> impacted.

>>

>>

>> This was not true. Because of the way they modified whois, multiple

>> providers started rejecting LOAs as invalid and disconnecting customers. As

>> such, their superficial claim that they were preventing customers from

>> being impacted was not accurate.

>>

>>

>>

>> Following the policy text, this is exactly the same thing. If there is a

>> disagreement and then a recovery, until the recovery is “final” (the 3

>> months I just mention) the resources will not be incorporated in the AS0.

>>

>>

>> Yes, but you are now assuming that AFRINIC will follow their own rules.

>> Had AFRINIC actually followed their own rules, they would not have

>> attempted to terminate Cloud Innovation’s membership and would not have

>> altered the WHOIS entries in question.

>>

>>

>>

>> The recent case, demonstrated that it works, because in case of a

>> dispute, you can still ask the courts, in the worst case, to take a

>> position.

>>

>>

>> If AFRINIC had acted responsibly and in compliance with their own rules,

>> this would be true. Because AFRINIC does not follow its own rules and

>> because AFRINIC was in such a rush to take adverse action the moment our

>> injunction was temporarily lifted on a technicality, it is quite clear that

>> they are willing to act in bad faith and contrary to their rules. So no, it

>> does not work, because during the dispute AFRINIC chose to and was able to

>> create substantial disruption to our customers while trying to pretend to

>> the community that their hands were clean.

>>

>> Owen

>>

>>

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