[rpd] More confusion from Noah

[Mimi dy]

Noah,

You are placing the whole logic as what came first, the chicken or the egg.

This is not a chicken or the egg thing.

The community created the RIR, not the RIR created the community.

The RIR is there to have to pay members to finance itself and serve the
community that created it, in theory, whether those members distribute
resources or not is irrelevant, they are just there to pay so that AFRINIC
ltd can service the community.

You seem to have a deep lack of understanding of the bottom-up process.

You solely advocate top to the bottom point of view and try to pass it as
if it is the only way.

The internet communities from all around the globe are bottom-up, if you
want to change that, you are in breach of the icp-2 putting in your own
words AFRINIC ltd in violation of section 3:
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en

"3) Bottom-up self-governance structure for setting local policies"

Now in your own words and by referring to those bylaws or RSA sections as
law, you are demonstrating that AFRINIC ltd is in full breach of ICP-2.

Best,

Le jeu. 8 juil. 2021 à 08:36, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> a écrit :


>

>

> On Thu, 8 Jul 2021, 01:08 Mimi dy, <dym5328 at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> I would like to clarify that the bylaws are a document explicitly drafted

>> to serve AFRINIC LTD, which is holding corporate status. It is completely

>> irrelevant to resource management.

>>

>

> Without the AFRINIC Bylaws, you don't have  resource management.

>

> Section 11.3 talks of public policy meetings open to the community where

> proposals for proposals for resource management are discussed etc. This is

> where the PDP is borne.

>

> 11.3) For the purpose of subsection 11.2 a Public Policy Meeting means a

> meeting open to the community wherein proposals for policies for a proper

> and responsible usage and Management of Internet number resources are

> discussed and agreed within the framework of the Policy Development Process

> (PDP) defined by the Regional Internet community and ratified by the Board.

>

>

> Without the above section in the Bylaws, you don't have a community, you

> don't have a PDP and you don't have resource management.

>

> In fact its the provisions 11.2 of the Bylaws that gives the board power

> to call a PPM attended by members and the community.

>

> 11.2) The Board shall call a Public Policy Meeting at least once a year as

> per requirements defined in the Policy Development Process. Public Policy

> Meeting may be attended by:

>

> So, you can not therefore claim that the Bylaws are just a document

> crafted to serve AFRINIC Ltd.

>

> If the board does not call for the PPM, you don't have policy discussions,

> pdwg, co-chairs etc.

>

> If AFRINIC does not provide an RPD mailing list service, you don't have

> online mail based policy discussions by the pdwg participants.

>

> The Bylaws come first and the PDP comes second..

>

>

> To put it differently, the bylaws itself is specific about being the

>> "Constitution of AFRINIC" as an entity, i.e. it is not the constitution of

>> the community, and certainly not the rulebook of internet resources

>> management in Africa.

>>

>

> You are mistaken, go read Bylaws provisions 11.2 and 11.3 which are the

> foundation of Internet Number Resources Management.

>

> I hope that helps.....

>

>

>> Actually, AFRINIC as an RIR assumes the responsibility of resource

>> distribution, nonetheless, it cannot stipulate how those numbers shall be

>> operated. From the financial perspective, AFRINIC simply is unable to

>> afford it. Legally speaking, AFRINIC does not represent a government body,

>> nor holding the legitimate power to impose a certain mode of resource

>> management. That being said, using the bylaws as a basis is senseless.

>>

>

>

> There is nothing senseless. What you have is a clear misunderstanding of

> what AFRINIC is and how AFRINIC must operate.

>

> This is your shortfall imho.

>

> Noah

>

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