<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Noah,<br><br>You are placing the whole logic as what came first, the chicken or the egg.<br><br>This is not a chicken or the egg thing.<br><br>The community created the RIR, not the RIR created the community.<br><br>The RIR is there to have to pay members to finance itself and serve the community that created it, in theory, whether those members distribute resources or not is irrelevant, they are just there to pay so that AFRINIC ltd can service the community.<br><br>You seem to have a deep lack of understanding of the bottom-up process.<br><br>You solely advocate top to the bottom point of view and try to pass it as if it is the only way.<br><br>The internet communities from all around the globe are bottom-up, if you want to change that, you are in breach of the icp-2 putting in your own words AFRINIC ltd in violation of section 3:<br><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en</a><br><br>"3) Bottom-up self-governance structure for setting local policies"<br><br>Now in your own words and by referring to those bylaws or RSA sections as law, you are demonstrating that AFRINIC ltd is in full breach of ICP-2.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Best,</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 8 juil. 2021 à 08:36, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 8 Jul 2021, 01:08 Mimi dy, <<a href="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com" target="_blank">dym5328@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello all,<div><br></div><div>I would like to clarify that the bylaws are a document explicitly drafted to serve AFRINIC LTD, which is holding corporate status. It is completely irrelevant to resource management. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Without the AFRINIC Bylaws, you don't have resource management. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Section 11.3 talks of public policy meetings open to the community where proposals for proposals for resource management are discussed etc. This is where the PDP is borne.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">11.3) For the purpose of subsection 11.2 a Public Policy Meeting means a meeting open to the community wherein proposals for policies for a proper and responsible usage and Management of Internet number resources are discussed and agreed within the framework of the Policy Development Process (PDP) defined by the Regional Internet community and ratified by the Board.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Without the above section in the Bylaws, you don't have a community, you don't have a PDP and you don't have resource management.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In fact its the provisions 11.2 of the Bylaws that gives the board power to call a PPM attended by members and the community.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">11.2) The Board shall call a Public Policy Meeting at least once a year as per requirements defined in the Policy Development Process. Public Policy Meeting may be attended by:</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So, you can not therefore claim that the Bylaws are just a document crafted to serve AFRINIC Ltd.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If the board does not call for the PPM, you don't have policy discussions, pdwg, co-chairs etc.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If AFRINIC does not provide an RPD mailing list service, you don't have online mail based policy discussions by the pdwg participants.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">The Bylaws come first and the PDP comes second..</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>To put it differently, the bylaws itself is specific about being the "Constitution of AFRINIC" as an entity, i.e. it is not the constitution of the community, and certainly not the rulebook of internet resources management in Africa. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You are mistaken, go read Bylaws provisions 11.2 and 11.3 which are the foundation of Internet Number Resources Management. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">I hope that helps.....</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div><div>Actually, AFRINIC as an RIR assumes the responsibility of resource distribution, nonetheless, it cannot stipulate how those numbers shall be operated. From the financial perspective, AFRINIC simply is unable to afford it. Legally speaking, AFRINIC does not represent a government body, nor holding the legitimate power to impose a certain mode of resource management. That being said, using the bylaws as a basis is senseless. </div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There is nothing senseless. What you have is a clear misunderstanding of what AFRINIC is and how AFRINIC must operate.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is your shortfall imho.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noah</div></div>
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