[rpd] Leases and Flexibility

[Fernando Frediani]

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On 05/07/2021 20:14, Paul Hjul wrote:

>

>     Hi Noah,

>     What you describe sounds nice if you are one of the established

>     ISPs who

>     are running a top to bottom network. However you can not say the same

>     for smaller enterprises, too small to be an LIR, and unable to run

>     full

>     operations profitably, giving inability to afford the RIR/AFRINIC

>     fees. I

>     feel total reliance on network providers/carriers also limits

>     flexibility,

>     which goes more along the line of thinking from the ITU, than the

>     spirit of

>     the Internet, as set by the early pioneers of the Internet.

>     No textbook analogy. IP leasing can allow the enterprise/organizations

>     certain flexibility in administration. Like having a single contiguous

>     range to numbers on all their interfaces and infrastructure either

>     locally

>     and across the cloud, for better administration and scaling of their

>     network they need. This way all their IPs are unique and

>     contiguous, and

>     they can number their offices networks, servers, VPN etc. for easy

>     management.

>     So Yes, fully (physical)provider independent. Without the physical

>     connection to provider being involved, that provider will still be

>     there of

>     course, but the end user is not forced to number their LAN with that

>     provider's IP addresses.

>     On another note, AFRINIC itself would give out such IP addresses as

>     assignments with the same justifications, These provider-independent

>     address space (PI) has some limitations in the current CPM. The PIs

>     assignments are also called "leasing", and well.

>     AFRINIC as a non profit organisation should not place itself in direct

>     competition with its members.

>     Resource owners are restricted from leasing, while the registry

>     can lease

>     out space as described in the policy, placing AFRINIC in a very

>     awkward

>     situation.

>

>     *Best Regards,*

>

>

>     *Anthony*

>

> Wholeheartedly agree

>

> Two points on this though:

> [1] The scenario of "top to bottom" providers who think of themselves 

> in a telco-esque mindset is really deleterious to a competitive market 

> and is not beneficial to consumers. Members of RIRs serve a function 

> as an LIR not as an "operator who leases number resources from the 

> RIR", it should be perfectly possible for an enterprise to contract 

> with multiple companies one of which is an LIR to get the various 

> resources that enterprise needs for their ICT services.

> [2] Even in the telco space this sort of ITU-esque thinking is under 

> revision - the mantra amongst telco CEOs is "becoming a techco".

>

> The thinking will mean that transitioning to IPv6 on the continent 

> will continue to be behind global trends.

>

> There certainly is space for a discussion as to whether there should 

> be policies as to the nature of relationship between LIR and customer 

> but the implicit big lie advanced by some on this group is that 

> operators aren't indirectly charging their customers for the 

> utilization of the "integers". My argument is that such policesare 

> unlikely to be properly framed or scoped and will generally backfire 

> but itsa legitimate discussion if people want to have it. There is 

> also certainly discussion to be had as to requiring LIRs to undertake 

> IPv6 operations which is something I am strongly in favour of.

> However that isn't the engagement that is happening.

>

> It is also probably worth reiterating that a situation in which there 

> is major allocation fragmentation to member providers who are small 

> operators really only serves to produce large membership fee 

> collections and would inevitably line the pockets of several insiders.

>

> I had actually forgotthat Afrinic leases out address space on 

> non-commercial terms under section 9 of the CPM and yes its further 

> illustration of things.

>

> Paul

>

>

>

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