[rpd] Yet more false allegations

[Noah]

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021, 14:58 Paul Hjul, <hjul.paul at gmail.com> wrote:


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>> Message: 3

>> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 13:39:08 +0300

>> From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>

>> To: Paul Hjul <hjul.paul at gmail.com>

>> Cc: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] False allegations by Fernando Frediani

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>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 12:54 PM Paul Hjul <hjul.paul at gmail.com> wrote:

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>> >

>> >> Message: 1

>> >> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:04:20 -0300

>> >> From: Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>

>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net

>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] More confusion from Noah

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>> >> On 04/07/2021 06:32, Paul Hjul wrote:

>> >> > Firstly I'd appreciate it if you didn't mail me personally but rather

>> >> > kept the discussion properly within the group. I note the carbon copy

>> >> > to the group so I would see what is commented without it being sent

>> >> > additionally to my inbox. People who act in good faith are welcome to

>> >> > email me separately if they want to have a more personal discussion

>> >> > but I don't like emails from bad faith actors, crooks or liars.

>> >> What is the propose of this direct and personal attack towards Noah ?

>> >> If we use such words when we dislike other's people points we tend to

>> >> turn this forum in a very bad place.

>> >>

>> >> I believe calling people crook and liar is not in accordance to

>> multiple

>> >> points AfriNic Code of Conduct mainly I and III and should not be

>> >> tolerated.

>> >>

>> >> Therefore if this is not repaired by the author I want to call for the

>> >> attention of the Co-Chairs and Staff for this violation of Code of

>> >> Conduct as these situations should not be stimulated or tolerated.

>> >>

>> >> Regards

>> >> Fernando

>> >>

>> >>

>> > I did not call him a crook or a liar. I would only do so after a

>> > foundation to do so is established. I identified him as a bad faith

>> actor,

>> > for which there is a firm foundation both in this thread (his attempt at

>> > intimidation) and generally.

>> >

>>

>> Please.....Your attempt to smear me wont work. So many apologists of IPv$

>> Brokers have tried since 2008.

>>

>>

>> >

>> > This forum is a very bad place because of the bad faith and unresponded

>> to

>> > attempts to intimidate and belittle which Noah has made a staple of his

>> > engagements with people.

>> >

>>

>> Grow a backbone dude... You are the bad faith actor purporting to be self

>> righteous.

>>

>> One of the means of attempting to intimidate that people embark on is to

>> > drive communication away from the group - as would occur if I replied to

>> > his email to me - it is a tactic and not one that should be appreciated.

>> >

>>

>> Shame on you Liar. I did not respond to you alone, I responded to you and

>> the entire rpd group which was also in copy.

>>

>> *The archive of my response to you which you claim was private is publicly

>> available here.*

>>

>>

>> *https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013441.html

>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013441.html>*

>>

>> Stop lying to the group that I messaged you privately yet the message is

>> perfectly achieved publicly for the record.

>>

>> If you are going to attempt to smear me or intimidate me with your

>> supremacist crap, try harder dude.

>>

>> Cheers,

>> Noah

>>

>

>

> Please.....Your attempt to smear me wont work. So many apologists of IPv$

> Brokers have tried since 2008.

>

> I am not making any attempt to smear you - quite a victim mentality claim

> implied there. You do a perfectly good job of damaging your own standing. I

> am still battling to grasp what you mean by IPv$ Brokers. Are you referring

> to the individuals in Africa who put money into their own personal pocket

> as an "assistance donation" to facilitate getting numbering resources

> available as from a resource holder and the entity in need? Or are you

> referring to lawfully operating businesses that undertake the activity of

> facilitating commerce between commercial entities?

> It's difficult not to suspect that to bolster the business of the first

> you want to demonise the second.

>

> For what it is worth there would be no business for "brokers" of the

> second kind if the market was able to move to efficiency and more

> importantly in order for firms to compete with each other in the space they

> actually have to add value. If you are referring to an exercise of

> improperly obtaining resources the term broker is wholly wrong - your

> friend Ernest's real crimes weren't so much in brokering as in other

> activities [again let me point out you've referred to him as your friend,

> even well after his criminality was exposed]   .

>

>

> As for "backbones", trust me I have nothing lacking in that department and

> its a curious angle of attack from you. I am not sure whether its part of

> your general routine of insult or whether its projecting. My hunch is a

> little of column a and a little of column b.

>

>

> Shame on you Liar. I did not respond to you alone, I responded to you and

> the entire rpd group which was also in copy.

>

> *The archive of my response to you which you claim was private is publicly

> available here.*

>

>

> *https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013441.html

> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013441.html>*

>

> Stop lying to the group that I messaged you privately yet the message is

> perfectly achieved publicly for the record.

>

>

> I did not claim that you messaged me privately (if you were to do so

> same would be relayed to the group with an explicit assertion of same) - on

> the contrary I set out that you had CC'd the group. What I complained of is

> that in adopting that course you structured the discourse such that if I

> replied it would be off group or at the very least had I replied all the

> group would be a secondary recipient. There is absolutely no reason for you

> to email me and carbon copy (rather than render in the to line) the group

> and a glance at the correspondence on the group makes it clear that only a

> faction of users are adopting the practice and that this faction are tend

> to behave as a mob. There is a massive difference between "to" and "cc" by

> placing the group on "cc" you are placing the group "in copy" and moving

> the discussion as one between two participants (as primary) and with the

> group only being informed of you doing so. One other person has replied to

> the group and CC'd me and I've received a direct email from one person who

> is a good faith actor - hence the invitation to the same class of posters.

> Calling me a liar while misrepresenting what I said is pretty damn

> disingenuous. While it would be a little too far to call you a liar at this

> juncture I can't help but start understanding why somebody would assume

> that if I speak of a liar I am thinking of you.

>

> Finally did you seriously just allege that I am a "supremacist"?  Coupled

> with your false and unfounded allegation that I am a liar its becoming

> pretty clear that not only do you pollute the discussion with confusion,

> discord and error but you are also quite keen on making serious scurrilous

> and vexatious attacks of a personal nature as part of an ad hominem form of

> erroneous reasoning. All of this makes the conclusion that you are quite a

> nasty piece of work difficult not to reach.

>

> And it is to that first paragraph that we must return. You see I know your

> game and I know the fact that you'll build up a little sock puppet clan to

> come and create a noise and you'll render this working group dysfunctional

> and eventually people will fall back and then you'll propose disastrous

> policies - despite the fact that same policy contradicts a policy on which

> consensus was reached and then dysfunction brought - that serve no purpose

> other than to further harm the sector on this continent. You'll then blame

> a lack of hand out to Africa despite the fact that per capita the country

> of India has been made very short on IPv4 resources and as a result is

> innovative in ensuring IPv6 deployments.

>

> Paul

>



Nonsense.......

Noah
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