[rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.

[Paschal Ochang]

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
wrote:


> Hi Mike,

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> Fully agree on this:

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> Also agreed. However there have been objections from people regarding

> alleged negative impacts on network operations. In this case I think it is

> reasonable that the objector either:

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> ·         identifies the *actual* network they operate; or

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> ·         acknowledges that their objection is based on a hypothetical

> network and not actually based in reality (academics have great ideas too);

> or

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> ·         admits that they are a paid shill for someone else.

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> It will be awesome to justify objections and simplify the work of the

> authors in improving the policy or responding to the objections, and for

> the chairs to evaluate all the points.

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> I will also say that if somene is participanting with an anonymous email,

> because it has a conflict of interest with his employeer, to state so

> (without giving employee deatails). That will help to balance if some

> opinions look contradictory, to understand why.

>

> Well I think that there is a moral or ethical justification to this but

one may argue that it is still not enshrined in the current process or
community definitions so a full disclosure cannot be enforced as a criteria
for participation. So I think there is no need to go down that road and
burn unnecessary calories.


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> Saludos,

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> Jordi

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> @jordipalet

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> El 8/6/21 10:41, "Mike Silber" <silber.mike at gmail.com> escribió:

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> Hi Jordi

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> On 8 Jun 2021, at 09:44, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> wrote:

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> While I understand your point, I think that we need to agree that

> sometimes, non-operators, also provide points of view that help to improve

> policies.

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> I do agree. However we need to accept that those contributions are largely

> on legal / policy issues.

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> I am a legal / policy person and the views expressed on this policy

> regarding the RIR system and the legal and policy issues are without

> foundation. As I am a legal / policy person I don’t presume to comment on

> network operations.

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> Also, there may be policies where the discussion will not be well balanced

> if only operators participate, because are not so closely related to

> operation, and instead to how to distribute resources that belong to the

> overall community.

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> Also agreed. However there have been objections from people regarding

> alleged negative impacts on network operations. In this case I think it is

> reasonable that the objector either:

>

>

>

> ·         identifies the *actual* network they operate; or

>

> ·         acknowledges that their objection is based on a hypothetical

> network and not actually based in reality (academics have great ideas too);

> or

>

> ·         admits that they are a paid shill for someone else.

>

>

>

> Regards

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> Mike

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Kind regards,

Paschal.
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