<br><br>On Tuesday, June 8, 2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Mike,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Fully agree on this:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US">Also agreed. However there have been objections from people regarding alleged negative impacts on network operations. In this case I think it is reasonable that the objector either:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt"><u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-US">identifies the *actual* network they operate; or<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt"><u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-US">acknowledges that their objection is based on a hypothetical network and not actually based in reality (academics have great ideas too); or<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt"><u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-US">admits that they are a paid shill for someone else. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">It will be awesome to justify objections and simplify the work of the authors in improving the policy or responding to the objections, and for the chairs to evaluate all the points.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I will also say that if somene is participanting with an anonymous email, because it has a conflict of interest with his employeer, to state so (without giving employee deatails). That will help to balance if some opinions look contradictory, to understand why.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Well I think that there is a moral or ethical justification to this but one may argue that it is still not enshrined in the current process or community definitions so a full disclosure cannot be enforced as a criteria for participation. So I think there is no need to go down that road and burn unnecessary calories.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Saludos,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 8/6/21 10:41, "Mike Silber" <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi Jordi<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 8 Jun 2021, at 09:44, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">While I understand your point, I think that we need to agree that sometimes, non-operators, also provide points of view that help to improve policies. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I do agree. However we need to accept that those contributions are largely on legal / policy issues.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I am a legal / policy person and the views expressed on this policy regarding the RIR system and the legal and policy issues are without foundation. As I am a legal / policy person I don’t presume to comment on network operations.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Also, there may be policies where the discussion will not be well balanced if only operators participate, because are not so closely related to operation, and instead to how to distribute resources that belong to the overall community.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Also agreed. However there have been objections from people regarding alleged negative impacts on network operations. In this case I think it is reasonable that the objector either:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt"><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u>identifies the *actual* network they operate; or<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt"><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u>acknowledges that their objection is based on a hypothetical network and not actually based in reality (academics have great ideas too); or<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt"><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u>admits that they are a paid shill for someone else. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Mike<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________ RPD mailing list <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <u></u><u></u></p></div><br>******************************<wbr>****************<br>
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