[rpd] Policy Development Working Group co-Chairs selection

[Daniel Yakmut]

Dear Jordi.

I am a man of reason. But, I don't appreciate being cajoled. I agree 
that we could have, from onset agree that we are selecting new co-chairs 
to start on a clean slate. I disagree with the statement that they are 
completing a tenure and in the same vein mutating to start a new tenure.

If you will recall, for emphasis sake, I suggested that what we are 
doing should be on a clean slate, however it was ignored. Surprisingly, 
it was suddenly introduced after the selections was done. *That is my 
grouse*.

My suggestion is that the Board and AfriNIC Secretariat should re-frame 
their affirmation and summaries to capture that the PWDG had selected 
two co-chairs on a consensus to start new tenure. This is on the 
condition that the records shows that this was what actually transpired.

Adding to the learning: We must be consistent and implicit always with 
our intentions and goals.


Simply

Daniel

On 12/04/2021 4:31 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

>

> Hi Daniel,

>

> From a realistic and practical standpoint, do you think it makes sense 

> to have selected co-chairs for the next PPM and at the same time start 

> a new selection, that takes a lot of resources, and makes difficult to 

> keep discussing policy proposals in the list, which are much needed 

> after the horrible decisions taken in the last two years?

>

> Just look at the number of policy proposals and how badly the lack of 

> consensus decision for non-justified objections, ruined them. Even if 

> you agree/disagree with those decisions, just read carefully the 

> recall results, and read also the Appeal Committee minutes, and look 

> to how two different of groups of people can clash in the 

> interpretation of the PDP, including the point that the AC believes 

> that the judgment needs to be done only which what happen in the 

> meeting, while always we have been told that the list is part of the 

> decision …

>

> Further to that, if there have been no other qualified candidates now, 

> do you think they will magically appear in the next month, for a new 

> selection?

>

> Do you think that if some candidates clearly attempted to commit fraud 

> (by themselves or whom brokered their nomination), should be allowed 

> to participate as candidates again?

>

> What about the “new” increase in subscriptions to the list from the 

> same residential IP addresses? How many folks in each household, you 

> can believe to be participating with knowledge at the PDP discussions?

>

> I think there are sufficient arguments to ensure that there is at 

> least 2 years of stability and healing, at least until we can define a 

> better way to handle the elections and AFRINIC can ensure that 1 

> participant is only 1 email and not being used as puppets.

>

> I’m sorry if this email can look as a bit “aggressive”, it not that my 

> intent, I just want to be honest and crystal clear, as usually, but 

> much more now, when the selection done by the PDWG is being discussed 

> repeatedly every other hour.

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

> El 12/4/21 17:12, "Daniel Yakmut via RPD" <rpd at afrinic.net 

> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> escribió:

>

> Dear Noah,

>

> I am only saying we must be cautious at responding to each others 

> opinions, without being seen to be arrogant about it.

>

> However, you will note my angst is against the fact we are extending 

> the tenure of the Co-chairs midway. Clearly, the guidelines and 

> timelines was specific that we were taken action to bring on board 2 

> Co-chairs to *"complete the tenure of recalled co-chairs". *How do you 

> explain the allocation/arrogation of one-year and two-year tenure when 

> the new co-chairs emerged.

>

> If I will say, was there no deception? I am led to conclude that if 

> the two selected persons were not the ones that made it to the end, 

> tenure extension would not have been muted. For the records I will not 

> support illegality.

>

> Simply,

>

> Daniel

>

> On 12/04/2021 2:49 pm, Noah wrote:

>

>     Hi Daniel

>

>     I have never presumed anyone is stupid. I am a Christian and no

>     human created by the Almight God is stupid, but some can be

>     foolish and have seen enough foolishness going on herein.  Like

>     your name sake Daniel submitted the other day, this is the RPD

>     list and the PDWG and not Facebook or Twitter.

>

>     Let us call a spade a spade and I will not bullshit around.....

>     the selected co-Chairs can moderate me if I have crossed the line

>     but we can't continue playing games and wasting each other's time

>     as working group participants.

>

>     We all agreed to the timelines the secretariat shared with this WG

>     in terms of selecting new co-chairs, criteria were deliberated and

>     we were all involved including some of the candidates that applied

>     to be considered for the role.

>

>     1. Some candidates like Antony and Widjane were disqualified after

>     their own nominators in their initial application declined the

>     nomination. This is a serious concern imho because nominators must

>     be folks known to a person. Those applications had motivations

>     written, obviously not by the nominator but someone else therefore

>     they are forgeries. A resource member then attempted to

>     re-nominate both of them days past the deadline.  Both ought to

>     take some lessons and the needed experience going forward.

>

>     2. There was another nomination that the nominee declined, that

>     is, our former co-chair Abdulkarim. The brother indicated that he

>     would be very busy attending to other things in the coming days

>     and months....hence dropped out of the race.

>

>     3. Then there was Elvis, who lacked a resource member to second

>     his nomination. The brothers CV speaks louder as he literally

>     lacks the experience and required technical knowledge based on his

>     own CV to manage this PDWG. The PDWG and its PDP focus on Internet

>     Number Resources policies and not liberal arts, language and

>     political science. I refer you to his CV specifically the

>     experience section.

>

>     4. In the past days and weeks, the PDWG across the board

>     participated in selecting new co-Chairs in line with the timelines

>     that the secretariat indicated, so that we can have managers

>     to lead the PPM in the coming months. Considering 1., 2., and .3,

>     above, most participants settled for Vincent and Darwin whose

>     nominators and seconders are resource members and confirmed to

>     have nominated and seconded them.

>

>     You claim you are trying to correct misnomers, and among those

>     corrections is to have the WG spend a great deal of its time with

>     another co-Chair selection after the conclusion of an open,

>     transparent selection process that has had this WG spend weeks

>     working on acceptable criteria, guidelines, the nominations and

>     eventually the consensus based selection process.

>

>     I have listened to you and am suggesting that, If anything, we are

>     all taking lessons and we shall improve the process through this

>     very avenue of the PDP but let's stop with the nonsense.

>

>     Cheers,

>

>     Noah

>

>     On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:32 PM Daniel Yakmut

>     <yakmutd at googlemail.com <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com>> wrote:

>

>         Dear Noah,

>

>         You don't cease to amaze me, when you write or talk you

>         presume everyone around you is stupid and you are the smart

>         one. I can clearly see that you are too full of yourself and

>         this make you write the way you do.

>

>         Here we are trying to correct misnomers and you are busy

>         writing gibberish. I don't waste people's time though I live

>         in the AFRINIC REGION nor do I contradict myself in any form.

>

>         However, when one has taken the course of being a Despot, he

>         doesn't listen nor understand what others are saying.

>

>         Simply,

>

>         Daniel

>

>         On 11/04/2021 8:40 pm, Noah wrote:

>

>             On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 6:19 PM Daniel Yakmut via RPD

>             <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>

>

>                 For transparency sake

>

>             What are you even talking about?

>

>                 and for posterity too, we must conduct another

>                 exercise to select/elect co-chairs.

>

>             Of course with endless obsessions over co-Chair elections

>             instead of focusing on Policy Development Work.

>

>                 I wouldn't mine if the exercise

>                 reproduce the same persons again.

>

>             Are you even listening to yourself....I mean, If there is

>             anything we do best in the AFRINIC region, it is to waste

>             everyone's time with all sorts of contradictions and we

>             are really good at that crap.

>

>             Noah

>

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