[rpd] Policy Development Working Group co-Chairs selection

Mon Apr 12 16:04:50 UTC 2021

Dear Jordi.

I am a man of reason. But, I don't appreciate being cajoled. I agree 
that we could have, from onset agree that we are selecting new co-chairs 
to start on a clean slate. I disagree with the statement that they are 
completing a tenure and in the same vein mutating to start a new tenure.

If you will recall, for emphasis sake, I suggested that what we are 
doing should be on a clean slate, however it was ignored. Surprisingly, 
it was suddenly introduced after the selections was done. *That is my 
grouse*.

My suggestion is that the Board and AfriNIC Secretariat should re-frame 
their affirmation and summaries to capture that the PWDG had selected 
two co-chairs on a consensus to start new tenure. This is on the 
condition that the records shows that this was what actually transpired.

Adding to the learning: We must be consistent and implicit always with 
our intentions and goals.

Simply

Daniel

On 12/04/2021 4:31 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> From a realistic and practical standpoint, do you think it makes sense 
> to have selected co-chairs for the next PPM and at the same time start 
> a new selection, that takes a lot of resources, and makes difficult to 
> keep discussing policy proposals in the list, which are much needed 
> after the horrible decisions taken in the last two years?
>
> Just look at the number of policy proposals and how badly the lack of 
> consensus decision for non-justified objections, ruined them. Even if 
> you agree/disagree with those decisions, just read carefully the 
> recall results, and read also the Appeal Committee minutes, and look 
> to how two different of groups of people can clash in the 
> interpretation of the PDP, including the point that the AC believes 
> that the judgment needs to be done only which what happen in the 
> meeting, while always we have been told that the list is part of the 
> decision …
>
> Further to that, if there have been no other qualified candidates now, 
> do you think they will magically appear in the next month, for a new 
> selection?
>
> Do you think that if some candidates clearly attempted to commit fraud 
> (by themselves or whom brokered their nomination), should be allowed 
> to participate as candidates again?
>
> What about the “new” increase in subscriptions to the list from the 
> same residential IP addresses? How many folks in each household, you 
> can believe to be participating with knowledge at the PDP discussions?
>
> I think there are sufficient arguments to ensure that there is at 
> least 2 years of stability and healing, at least until we can define a 
> better way to handle the elections and AFRINIC can ensure that 1 
> participant is only 1 email and not being used as puppets.
>
> I’m sorry if this email can look as a bit “aggressive”, it not that my 
> intent, I just want to be honest and crystal clear, as usually, but 
> much more now, when the selection done by the PDWG is being discussed 
> repeatedly every other hour.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> El 12/4/21 17:12, "Daniel Yakmut via RPD" <rpd at afrinic.net 
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> escribió:
>
> Dear Noah,
>
> I am only saying we must be cautious at responding to each others 
> opinions, without being seen to be arrogant about it.
>
> However, you will note my angst is against the fact we are extending 
> the tenure of the Co-chairs midway. Clearly, the guidelines and 
> timelines was specific that we were taken action to bring on board 2 
> Co-chairs to *"complete the tenure of recalled co-chairs". *How do you 
> explain the allocation/arrogation of one-year and two-year tenure when 
> the new co-chairs emerged.
>
> If I will say, was there no deception? I am led to conclude that if 
> the two selected persons were not the ones that made it to the end, 
> tenure extension would not have been muted. For the records I will not 
> support illegality.
>
> Simply,
>
> Daniel
>
> On 12/04/2021 2:49 pm, Noah wrote:
>
>     Hi Daniel
>
>     I have never presumed anyone is stupid. I am a Christian and no
>     human created by the Almight God is stupid, but some can be
>     foolish and have seen enough foolishness going on herein.  Like
>     your name sake Daniel submitted the other day, this is the RPD
>     list and the PDWG and not Facebook or Twitter.
>
>     Let us call a spade a spade and I will not bullshit around.....
>     the selected co-Chairs can moderate me if I have crossed the line
>     but we can't continue playing games and wasting each other's time
>     as working group participants.
>
>     We all agreed to the timelines the secretariat shared with this WG
>     in terms of selecting new co-chairs, criteria were deliberated and
>     we were all involved including some of the candidates that applied
>     to be considered for the role.
>
>     1. Some candidates like Antony and Widjane were disqualified after
>     their own nominators in their initial application declined the
>     nomination. This is a serious concern imho because nominators must
>     be folks known to a person. Those applications had motivations
>     written, obviously not by the nominator but someone else therefore
>     they are forgeries. A resource member then attempted to
>     re-nominate both of them days past the deadline.  Both ought to
>     take some lessons and the needed experience going forward.
>
>     2. There was another nomination that the nominee declined, that
>     is, our former co-chair Abdulkarim. The brother indicated that he
>     would be very busy attending to other things in the coming days
>     and months....hence dropped out of the race.
>
>     3. Then there was Elvis, who lacked a resource member to second
>     his nomination. The brothers CV speaks louder as he literally
>     lacks the experience and required technical knowledge based on his
>     own CV to manage this PDWG. The PDWG and its PDP focus on Internet
>     Number Resources policies and not liberal arts, language and
>     political science. I refer you to his CV specifically the
>     experience section.
>
>     4. In the past days and weeks, the PDWG across the board
>     participated in selecting new co-Chairs in line with the timelines
>     that the secretariat indicated, so that we can have managers
>     to lead the PPM in the coming months. Considering 1., 2., and .3,
>     above, most participants settled for Vincent and Darwin whose
>     nominators and seconders are resource members and confirmed to
>     have nominated and seconded them.
>
>     You claim you are trying to correct misnomers, and among those
>     corrections is to have the WG spend a great deal of its time with
>     another co-Chair selection after the conclusion of an open,
>     transparent selection process that has had this WG spend weeks
>     working on acceptable criteria, guidelines, the nominations and
>     eventually the consensus based selection process.
>
>     I have listened to you and am suggesting that, If anything, we are
>     all taking lessons and we shall improve the process through this
>     very avenue of the PDP but let's stop with the nonsense.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Noah
>
>     On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:32 PM Daniel Yakmut
>     <yakmutd at googlemail.com <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Dear Noah,
>
>         You don't cease to amaze me, when you write or talk you
>         presume everyone around you is stupid and you are the smart
>         one. I can clearly see that you are too full of yourself and
>         this make you write the way you do.
>
>         Here we are trying to correct misnomers and you are busy
>         writing gibberish. I don't waste people's time though I live
>         in the AFRINIC REGION nor do I contradict myself in any form.
>
>         However, when one has taken the course of being a Despot, he
>         doesn't listen nor understand what others are saying.
>
>         Simply,
>
>         Daniel
>
>         On 11/04/2021 8:40 pm, Noah wrote:
>
>             On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 6:19 PM Daniel Yakmut via RPD
>             <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>
>
>                 For transparency sake
>
>             What are you even talking about?
>
>                 and for posterity too, we must conduct another
>                 exercise to select/elect co-chairs.
>
>             Of course with endless obsessions over co-Chair elections
>             instead of focusing on Policy Development Work.
>
>                 I wouldn't mine if the exercise
>                 reproduce the same persons again.
>
>             Are you even listening to yourself....I mean, If there is
>             anything we do best in the AFRINIC region, it is to waste
>             everyone's time with all sorts of contradictions and we
>             are really good at that crap.
>
>             Noah
>
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