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[rpd] Criteria for Eligibility or Selection of PDWG Co-Chairs
Mark Elkins
mje at posix.co.za
Sun Feb 21 08:49:18 UTC 2021
Dear Daniel,
You appear to be confusing Guidelines, Rules and Law.
If you are travelling along a road and the local municipality is fixing
a water leak that is on your side of the road, you are, with caution,
allowed to avoid the hole by going onto the other side of the road,
despite the law saying you must drive on the "correct" side (whether
that be the Left or the Right).
There is nothing wrong with that.
What would wrong is driving on the wrong side of the road without an
appropriate reason.
So I am not saying anyone must break the rules (or guidelines) but our
rules are written with a particular environment in mind and if that
environment has changed, we still use the rules to guide us but may
temporarily circumvent an obstacle in our way without breaking the
spirit of the law, that is, keeping as close as we can to the correct path.
We've had no Co-Chairs present in meetings before in the early days -
and we survived.
On 2/20/21 11:19 PM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:
>
> Dear PWDG,
>
> It is clear we cannot alter the rules in the middle of the game. Any
> new rules to make one eligible to be a co-chair that is not in any of
> our books is not tenable.
>
> What should be done, is to start a process that is legitimate and
> conforms to the CPM and any other reference, to create the new
> eligibility rules. However, I understand that this has to come as a
> proposed policy and it has to go through the cycle of discussions and
> reaching a consensus, but this also is a challenge because we need a
> co-chair to coordinate the process and we don't have one.
>
> We are at a cross road, let me remind us that there is never a
> justification for breaking the law. I am aware that there is a saying
> that "ignorance is not acceptable in law". This is an interesting
> time in the life of PWDG. Therefore, except we are going to suspend
> the laws that guide us, then we have to abide by the law.
>
> *But we can also behave like a military junta, suspend the
> "constitution", do what we want to do.* Possibly restore it at some
> later time, but we would have set a precedence and have to live with
> consequence of this action.
>
> Simply
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On 19/02/2021 9:49 am, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
>>
>> While I’m ok with 6, I think this is clearly a basic point for any
>> participant, not just candidates, because the AUP or CoC or whatever
>> you want to call it, right?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jordi
>>
>> @jordipalet
>>
>> El 19/2/21 8:54, "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at skannet.com
>> <mailto:sfolayan at skannet.com>> escribió:
>>
>> I am OK with Noah's trajectory, proposition, and Mike's modification.
>>
>> Slight edit in 4. "which is am AFRINIC resource members" should read
>> "who is an AFRINIC resource member"
>>
>> I also think we should add ...
>>
>> 6. Ability to remain calm in the face of provocation and respect for
>> the continental diversity.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>> On 2/19/21 7:38 AM, Mike Silber wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Noah
>>
>> I think that is an excellent list.
>>
>> The only thing I would add to your point 5 is an intangible
>> quality - a history (or perception) of building consensus. Some
>> of us understand RFC 7282, but because of our passion, style or
>> language are less successful (or perceived as less successful) at
>> moving the group towards consensus.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 at 07:54, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz
>> <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi PDWG participants,
>>
>> Could we as a WG participants agree on a set of criteria for
>> a WG participant to become a co-chair.
>>
>> This I believe is more important and I had shared some few
>> ideas below a separate thread but I think it would make sense
>> to work this out on this new thread.
>>
>> Some thoughts that crossed my mind as criteria;
>>
>> 1. Active participation in WG discussions by a participant,
>> in say, the past 3 years.
>>
>> 2. Participant should demonstrate a clear understanding of
>> the CPM and especially sections that relate to the PDWG.
>>
>> 3. Participant should have some 5 years sound technical
>> experience in this space with a clear understanding of
>> Internet Protocol and preferably having worked in this space.
>>
>> 4. Affiliation with an entity which is am AFRINIC resource
>> members could come in handy for a participant interested in
>> chairing policy discussions.
>>
>> 5. Understanding of rfc7282 and what rough consensus and
>> consensus is all about, after all consensus is a path and not
>> a destination. This is very important.
>>
>> Other participants in this WG can also add and we see what
>> criteria are more required and which ones to discard to keep
>> it simple.
>>
>> I stand to be corrected but I think we as a WG have an
>> obligation to first sort this requirements out before we can
>> think of the selection of the interim co-chairs.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Noah
>>
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