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<p>Dear Daniel,</p>
<p>You appear to be confusing Guidelines, Rules and Law.</p>
<p>If you are travelling along a road and the local municipality is
fixing a water leak that is on your side of the road, you are,
with caution, allowed to avoid the hole by going onto the other
side of the road, despite the law saying you must drive on the
"correct" side (whether that be the Left or the Right).</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with that.</p>
<p>What would wrong is driving on the wrong side of the road without
an appropriate reason.</p>
<p>So I am not saying anyone must break the rules (or guidelines)
but our rules are written with a particular environment in mind
and if that environment has changed, we still use the rules to
guide us but may temporarily circumvent an obstacle in our way
without breaking the spirit of the law, that is, keeping as close
as we can to the correct path.</p>
<p>We've had no Co-Chairs present in meetings before in the early
days - and we survived.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/20/21 11:19 PM, Daniel Yakmut via
RPD wrote:<br>
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<p>Dear PWDG,<br>
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<p>It is clear we cannot alter the rules in the middle of the
game. Any new rules to make one eligible to be a co-chair that
is not in any of our books is not tenable.</p>
<p>What should be done, is to start a process that is legitimate
and conforms to the CPM and any other reference, to create the
new eligibility rules. However, I understand that this has to
come as a proposed policy and it has to go through the cycle of
discussions and reaching a consensus, but this also is a
challenge because we need a co-chair to coordinate the process
and we don't have one.</p>
<p>We are at a cross road, let me remind us that there is never a
justification for breaking the law. I am aware that there is a
saying that "ignorance is not acceptable in law". This is an
interesting time in the life of PWDG. Therefore, except we are
going to suspend the laws that guide us, then we have to abide
by the law.</p>
<p><b>But we can also behave like a military junta, suspend the
"constitution", do what we want to do.</b> Possibly restore it
at some later time, but we would have set a precedence and have
to live with consequence of this action.</p>
<p>Simply</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/02/2021 9:49 am, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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lang="EN-US">While I’m ok with 6, I think this is clearly
a basic point for any participant, not just candidates,
because the AUP or CoC or whatever you want to call it,
right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 19/2/21
8:54, "Sunday Folayan" <<a
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<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I am OK with Noah's trajectory,
proposition, and Mike's modification. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Slight edit in 4. "which is am
AFRINIC resource members" should read "who is an AFRINIC
resource member" <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">I also think we should add ... <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">6. Ability to remain calm in the
face of provocation and respect for the continental
diversity. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Sunday.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 2/19/21
7:38 AM, Mike Silber wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Noah <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I think
that is an excellent list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The only
thing I would add to your point 5 is an intangible
quality - a history (or perception) of building
consensus. Some of us understand RFC 7282, but because
of our passion, style or language are less successful
(or perceived as less successful) at moving the group
towards consensus.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Fri, 19 Feb 2021 at 07:54, Noah <<a
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PDWG participants,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Could
we as a WG participants agree on a set of
criteria for a WG participant to become a
co-chair. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This
I believe is more important and I had shared
some few ideas below a separate thread but I
think it would make sense to work this out on
this new thread.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Some
thoughts that crossed my mind as criteria;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Active participation in WG discussions by
a participant, in say, the past 3 years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Participant should demonstrate a clear
understanding of the CPM and especially
sections that relate to the PDWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3.
Participant should have some 5 years sound
technical experience in this space with a
clear understanding of Internet Protocol
and preferably having worked in this
space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">4.
Affiliation with an entity which is am
AFRINIC resource members could come in
handy for a participant interested in
chairing policy discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">5.
Understanding of rfc7282 and what rough
consensus and consensus is all about,
after all consensus is a path and not a
destination. This is very important.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Other
participants in this WG can also add and
we see what criteria are more required and
which ones to discard to keep it simple.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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stand to be corrected but I think we as a
WG have an obligation to first sort this
requirements out before we can think of
the selection of the interim co-chairs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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