[rpd] Selecting WG Co-Chairs: Was Re: Can a Consensual Decision of the PDWG Violate the PDP? (was: Report from Recall Committee)

[Sunday Folayan]

Fernando,

I was just responding to a question asked me, by Sylvian. I was not 
thinking for the Working Group, as I do not have such skills. If you 
read my email, without following the thread that led to my mail, it will 
make no sense.

FWIW ... One person not agreeing or not even participating, just means 
that the decision is not unanimous, it does not mean that there is no 
(rough) consensus [1].

It is not a good idea to always object because one wants to be 
different. When there is no horse in the race, it is always good to let 
it go. Some day, you will need others to also agree to your own 
proposition, and then hope that they do not want to be different.

Sunday.

1. 
http://gri-bloggen.se/what-is-consensus/#:~:text=In%20a%20nutshell%2C%20unanimity%20is,is%20when%20no%20one%20disagrees.&text=Unanimity%20is%20reached%20if%20everyone,and%20to%20simply%20remain%20silent.



On 2/19/21 3:29 PM, Fernando Frediani wrote:

>

> I really fail to understand this wish form some people to select 

> someone for a role "by consensus".

> This is not something good, practical (specially in a environment like 

> we are) and that can easily leave doubts and distrust by many. I 

> really wanted to understand why people believe so much in this type of 

> exotic choice for persons for a role.

> Look, choosing people is much different from move forward a proposal 

> by consensus. It isn't the same thing, definitely is not !

>

> In the situation we are who will determine there was a consensus or 

> not about some person ? What if someone disagrees ? There is no 

> current Co-Chairs to have the decision appealed as per the PDP.

> Let's be practical as most places and vote or a show of hands as per 

> last time having a electoral census of who can participate in this. 

> Other than that isn't just something good or practical for most 

> scenarios and may only contribute for this situation to remain as it is.

>

> Fernando

>

> On 19/02/2021 06:25, Sunday Folayan wrote:

>>

>> In the light of MJE's contribution, I would like to modify my earlier 

>> submission.

>>

>>

>> My personal preference for Interim Chairs' selection:

>>

>> • [A] a selection through rough consensus [2] After prospects do 

>> volunteer;

>> • [B] a selection based on ranking voting [3] if more than 2 

>> volunteers, then discussions;

>> • [C] a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1] if more 

>> than 2 candidates and discussions stalemate;

>> • [D] a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4] 

>> (a long and unnecessary process for selecting the interim Chairs);

>> • [E] any other possibility?

>>

>> I have no problem with NOMCOM being the selectees in [D] above. It 

>> will not be a long and un-necessary process.

>>

>> Sunday.

>>

>>

>> On 2/19/21 9:58 AM, Mark Elkins wrote:

>>>

>>> Ask the NomCom to ask for volunteers. Just use the templates from 

>>> 2020. Have an initial cut-off after seven days.

>>>

>>> With last year, I was quite ecstatic when we ended up with just one 

>>> volunteer. "Consensus" as such is great.

>>>

>>> However, we technically need one person for three to six months and 

>>> another for that same period plus one year. I'm wondering whether it 

>>> might be more sane to extend both of these positions by one year? - 

>>> or we simply consent to have the same people extended by an 

>>> additional year each at whenever we have the next AFRINIC meeting?  

>>> Alternativly - we could be seen as simply bringing forwards the 

>>> normal election of Co-Chairs to now(ish) - as we have an urgent need.

>>>

>>> We also need to have a system on deciding who is in for a short term 

>>> and who is in for a longer term. Voting may be the simplest method 

>>> (as this will all be done remotely).

>>>

>>> Any way - my thoughts.

>>>

>>> On 2/19/21 9:55 AM, Sunday Folayan wrote:

>>>> Hello Sylvain

>>>>

>>>> On 2/18/21 11:48 PM, Sylvain Baya wrote:

>>>>> ~°~

>>>>> • a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1];

>>>>> • a selection through rough consensus [2];

>>>>> • a selection based on ranking voting [3];

>>>>> • a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4];

>>>>> • any other possibility?

>>>>> ~°~

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> My personal preference for Interim Chairs' selection:

>>>>

>>>> • a selection through rough consensus [2] After prospects do 

>>>> volunteer;

>>>> • a selection based on ranking voting [3] if more than 2 

>>>> volunteers, then discussions;

>>>> • a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1] if more 

>>>> than 2 candidates and discussions stalemate;

>>>> • a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4] (a 

>>>> long and unnecessary process for selecting the interim Chairs);

>>>> • any other possibility?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Sunday.

>>>>

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