[rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs

[Mark Elkins]

To the best of my knowledge - this has never happened in any other RIR. 
It has never happened in AfriNIC before either (PDWG Chair recall - or 
equivalent). I have been "involved" with AfriNIC from before its 
creation - so certain of my facts regarding AfriNIC.

The nearest that others have taken the responsibility of a PDWG Chair 
would have been by myself, in Mauritius at a formal AfriNIC meeting. As 
a Board Member, I stood in to work through and Chaired some policies (I 
presume there were no Co-Chairs physically present), one policy which 
Alan Barrett presented (the author was not physically present). This was 
in the early days and I presume at the smaller of the two annual 
meetings. This was also at a time when the PDWG process was simpler 
(less rules & processes) than it is today, or simply a lot less 
political, rather more technically driven?

Thus one might conclude that presidence is the Board will provide for 
the interim?

On 2/10/21 12:18 PM, Paul Wollner wrote:

> Dear community,

>

> I was wondering if the situation that we are in now has already occurred in Afrinic’s PDP history or another RIR. If so, maybe we can learn a thing or two from it, because I honestly feel this discussion isn’t going anywhere and that the opinions are very divided on the matter.

>

> Regards

> Paul

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>   > Hi Daniel,

>   >

>   > My understanding of the RC document is different than yours, but my guess is that even if the co-chairs are still on their place, it is just waiting for the board formalities, and that doesn't preclude the WG to start working on the next steps, right?

>   >

>   > Regards,

>   > Jordi

>   > @jordipalet

>   >

>   >

>   >

>   > El 8/2/21 23:29, "Daniel Yakmut" <yakmutd at googlemail.com> escribió:

>   >

>   > Here we are indeed in a strange situation, which we created for

>   > ourselves. A situation we were drumming for. I thought we all had it

>   > figured out and that is why we called for recall of the Co-chairs.

>   >

>   > I am baffled that Jordi is already making a suggestion on how to proceed

>   > to get new Co-Chairs. When the recommendations of the Recall Committee

>   > has not being assented to. Though, I don't know who is to approve the

>   > recommendations of the committee.

>   >

>   > Hence, the response of Jordi is not tenable here, since I have not seen

>   > any declaration that, we don't have co-chairs. I am aware that the Alan

>   > Barret led committee made recommendations, which requires acceptance,

>   > approval and implementation.

>   >

>   > I am rather seeing a strange situation in the haste that is being

>   > suggested on how to deal with the 'situation of no Co-chairs'.

>   >

>   > I am currently studying the documents provided by the Recall Committee,

>   > to enable one make an appropriate comment. But, at this early stages the

>   > outcome of the committees report remains just recommendations.

>   >

>   >

>   > Simply,

>   >

>   > Daniel

>   >

>   >

>   >

>   > On 08/02/2021 9:52 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

>   > > Hi all,

>   > >

>   > > We are in a very strange situation now.

>   > >

>   > > We have no co-chairs, we have no meetings (because the Covid) so elections could take place.

>   > >

>   > > The Recall Committee suggested that the section 3.3 of the CPM shall take effect (if the working group chair is unable to serve his or her full term the WG may select a replacement to serve the remainder of the term).

>   > >

>   > > The Recall Committee report already suggested that the PDWG should work on this and coordinate with the board.

>   > >

>   > > Guys, this is our "problem" as a community. Remember that the board is only helping the community here organizing the elections.

>   > >

>   > > Is not the board who choose the candidates and elects them it is our tasks. Remember that without co-chairs, we can't advance with our work. Who takes care of ensuring a profitable discussion in the list for any policy proposal (and we have many in the table), or even ensuring that there is not any abuse or bad behavior during this period?

>   > >

>   > > I will like to propose a few ideas and I hope that others also do the same. Remember that this is transition period:

>   > >

>   > > 1) Ask the board to choose among previous co-chairs that already have proven experience (and hopefully they accept).

>   > > 2) Nominate ourselves those previous co-chairs.

>   > > 3) A combination of both 1 and 2 above (example, board nominates one, the community another).

>   > > 4) Instead of looking for a temporary replacement, asking the board to organize elections in a maximum of 4-6 weeks, using the same procedure that was prepared for the last time and using the same electoral census.

>   > >

>   > > If we want to board to hear us and take a decision, we should try to reach consensus *among us* without co-chairs. I know it seems difficult, but I'm convinced that at difficult times, this community will be able to work together.

>   > >

>   > > Eddy, I will love to hear also what you have to say, or if the board already has worked out something, etc.

>   > >

>   > > Thanks in advance!

>   > > 

>   > > Regards,

>   > > Jordi

>   > > @jordipalet

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