[rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs

[Paschal Ochang]

Having a non moderated discourse was one of my greatest fears as
discussions from diverse backgrounds tend to degenerate very fast
especially on this platform. Bringing back all the past expertise is an
evidence of pressing the panic button. how will they all reach consensus
and I believe parties will still not be satisfied by their outcome.It's now
a typical case of who will bell the cat. For me discussions on this
platform should even be put on a halt due to the fact there are no chairs
to moderate discussions pending a comprehensive decision on the way forward
whether be it guided by the CPM or boards prerogatives.

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
wrote:


> You don't have to agree. It is just the way it is either you agree or not.

>

> There is a proper process in the CPM which all that participates here

> accept. The Recall Committee cannot do things at will when they like. There

> is a formal process to be followed, requisites to be fulfilled, the Board

> must sit, discuss and approve and create a Recall Committee and then the

> Recall Committee do a thorough job (which they did) and determine de

> outcome. You may not accept but it is like that and currently we don't have

> more Co-Chairs.

>

> Just wait for the Board to lead the next election process via the staff as

> done before.

>

> Regards

> Fernando

> On 09/02/2021 03:17, Daniel Yakmut wrote:

>

> I don't agree Fernando, a committee does not usually have that

> 'absoluteness' you mentioned. I can also understand the remarks

> 'Findings/Outcome of the Recall Committee' to mean that there is a hanging

> process.

>

> Please, the committee's outcome remains that the Co-Chairs should be

> recalled. There must be a pronouncement from the board that constituted the

> Recall committee. This is not a market square so we cannot take the 'shout

> of a mad man in the market to mean the proclamation of the king'. The king

> must speak through the authorised channel, before the people can accept.

>

> Therefore, we wait!

>

> Simply

>

> Daniel

>

>

> On 09/02/2021 3:18 am, Badru Ntege wrote:

>

> I believe this is the correct understanding of the outcome.

>

>

>

> We now need to move forward with the selection of new co-chairs.

>

>

>

> The community is committed to accept the outcome of the committee.

>

>

>

> Lets move on.

>

>

>

> Regards.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> *From: *Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> <fhfrediani at gmail.com>

> *Date: *Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 01:45

> *To: *"rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs

>

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>

> No Daniel, the output of the Recall Committee regarding the Co-Chairs is

> already final (read point 19 from their report) according to whats the CPM

> says about it, so it does not have to be approved by anyone, not even the

> Board itself.

>

>

>

> So currently we don't have any Co-Chairs.

>

>

>

> What the Committee has mentioned in the document is for the Board to lead

> the election of the new Co-Chairs and determine the transition during this

> interim.

>

>

>

> That's it.

>

>

>

> Fernando

>

>

>

> On Mon, 8 Feb 2021, 19:29 Daniel Yakmut via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

>

> Here we are indeed in a strange situation, which we created for

> ourselves. A situation we were drumming for. I thought we all had it

> figured out and  that is why we called for recall of the Co-chairs.

>

> I am baffled that Jordi is already making a suggestion on how to proceed

> to get new Co-Chairs. When the recommendations of the Recall Committee

> has not being assented to. Though, I don't know who is to approve the

> recommendations of the committee.

>

> Hence, the response of Jordi is not tenable here, since I have not seen

> any declaration that, we don't have co-chairs. I am aware that the Alan

> Barret led committee made recommendations, which requires acceptance,

> approval and implementation.

>

> I am rather seeing a strange situation in the haste that is being

> suggested on how to deal with the 'situation of no Co-chairs'.

>

> I am currently studying the documents provided by the Recall Committee,

> to enable one make an appropriate comment. But, at this early stages the

> outcome of the committees report remains just recommendations.

>

>

> Simply,

>

> Daniel

>

>

>

> On 08/02/2021 9:52 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

> > Hi all,

> >

> > We are in a very strange situation now.

> >

> > We have no co-chairs, we have no meetings (because the Covid) so

> elections could take place.

> >

> > The Recall Committee suggested that the section 3.3 of the CPM shall

> take effect (if the working group chair is unable to serve his or her full

> term the WG may select a replacement to serve the remainder of the term).

> >

> > The Recall Committee report already suggested that the PDWG should work

> on this and coordinate with the board.

> >

> > Guys, this is our "problem" as a community. Remember that the board is

> only helping the community here organizing the elections.

> >

> > Is not the board who choose the candidates and elects them it is our

> tasks. Remember that without co-chairs, we can't advance with our work. Who

> takes care of ensuring a profitable discussion in the list for any policy

> proposal (and we have many in the table), or even ensuring that there is

> not any abuse or bad behavior during this period?

> >

> > I will like to propose a few ideas and I hope that others also do the

> same. Remember that this is transition period:

> >

> > 1) Ask the board to choose among previous co-chairs that already have

> proven experience (and hopefully they accept).

> > 2) Nominate ourselves those previous co-chairs.

> > 3) A combination of both 1 and 2 above (example, board nominates one,

> the community another).

> > 4) Instead of looking for a temporary replacement, asking the board to

> organize elections in a maximum of 4-6 weeks, using the same procedure that

> was prepared for the last time and using the same electoral census.

> >

> > If we want to board to hear us and take a decision, we should try to

> reach consensus *among us* without co-chairs. I know it seems difficult,

> but I'm convinced that at difficult times, this community will be able to

> work together.

> >

> > Eddy, I will love to hear also what you have to say, or if the board

> already has worked out something, etc.

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jordi

> > @jordipalet

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Paschal.
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