[rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs

Tue Feb 9 12:45:36 UTC 2021

You don't have to agree. It is just the way it is either you agree or not.

There is a proper process in the CPM which all that participates here 
accept. The Recall Committee cannot do things at will when they like. 
There is a formal process to be followed, requisites to be fulfilled, 
the Board must sit, discuss and approve and create a Recall Committee 
and then the Recall Committee do a thorough job (which they did) and 
determine de outcome. You may not accept but it is like that and 
currently we don't have more Co-Chairs.

Just wait for the Board to lead the next election process via the staff 
as done before.

Regards
Fernando

On 09/02/2021 03:17, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
>
> I don't agree Fernando, a committee does not usually have that 
> 'absoluteness' you mentioned. I can also understand the remarks 
> 'Findings/Outcome of the Recall Committee' to mean that there is a 
> hanging process.
>
> Please, the committee's outcome remains that the Co-Chairs should be 
> recalled. There must be a pronouncement from the board that 
> constituted the Recall committee. This is not a market square so we 
> cannot take the 'shout of a mad man in the market to mean the 
> proclamation of the king'. The king must speak through the authorised 
> channel, before the people can accept.
>
> Therefore, we wait!
>
> Simply
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On 09/02/2021 3:18 am, Badru Ntege wrote:
>>
>> I believe this is the correct understanding of the outcome.
>>
>> We now need to move forward with the selection of new co-chairs.
>>
>> The community is committed to accept the outcome of the committee.
>>
>> Lets move on.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> *From: *Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 01:45
>> *To: *"rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs
>>
>> No Daniel, the output of the Recall Committee regarding the Co-Chairs 
>> is already final (read point 19 from their report) according to whats 
>> the CPM says about it, so it does not have to be approved by anyone, 
>> not even the Board itself.
>>
>> So currently we don't have any Co-Chairs.
>>
>> What the Committee has mentioned in the document is for the Board to 
>> lead the election of the new Co-Chairs and determine the transition 
>> during this interim.
>>
>> That's it.
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2021, 19:29 Daniel Yakmut via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net 
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Here we are indeed in a strange situation, which we created for
>>     ourselves. A situation we were drumming for. I thought we all had it
>>     figured out and  that is why we called for recall of the Co-chairs.
>>
>>     I am baffled that Jordi is already making a suggestion on how to
>>     proceed
>>     to get new Co-Chairs. When the recommendations of the Recall
>>     Committee
>>     has not being assented to. Though, I don't know who is to approve
>>     the
>>     recommendations of the committee.
>>
>>     Hence, the response of Jordi is not tenable here, since I have
>>     not seen
>>     any declaration that, we don't have co-chairs. I am aware that
>>     the Alan
>>     Barret led committee made recommendations, which requires
>>     acceptance,
>>     approval and implementation.
>>
>>     I am rather seeing a strange situation in the haste that is being
>>     suggested on how to deal with the 'situation of no Co-chairs'.
>>
>>     I am currently studying the documents provided by the Recall
>>     Committee,
>>     to enable one make an appropriate comment. But, at this early
>>     stages the
>>     outcome of the committees report remains just recommendations.
>>
>>
>>     Simply,
>>
>>     Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 08/02/2021 9:52 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
>>     > Hi all,
>>     >
>>     > We are in a very strange situation now.
>>     >
>>     > We have no co-chairs, we have no meetings (because the Covid)
>>     so elections could take place.
>>     >
>>     > The Recall Committee suggested that the section 3.3 of the CPM
>>     shall take effect (if the working group chair is unable to serve
>>     his or her full term the WG may select a replacement to serve the
>>     remainder of the term).
>>     >
>>     > The Recall Committee report already suggested that the PDWG
>>     should work on this and coordinate with the board.
>>     >
>>     > Guys, this is our "problem" as a community. Remember that the
>>     board is only helping the community here organizing the elections.
>>     >
>>     > Is not the board who choose the candidates and elects them it
>>     is our tasks. Remember that without co-chairs, we can't advance
>>     with our work. Who takes care of ensuring a profitable discussion
>>     in the list for any policy proposal (and we have many in the
>>     table), or even ensuring that there is not any abuse or bad
>>     behavior during this period?
>>     >
>>     > I will like to propose a few ideas and I hope that others also
>>     do the same. Remember that this is transition period:
>>     >
>>     > 1) Ask the board to choose among previous co-chairs that
>>     already have proven experience (and hopefully they accept).
>>     > 2) Nominate ourselves those previous co-chairs.
>>     > 3) A combination of both 1 and 2 above (example, board
>>     nominates one, the community another).
>>     > 4) Instead of looking for a temporary replacement, asking the
>>     board to organize elections in a maximum of 4-6 weeks, using the
>>     same procedure that was prepared for the last time and using the
>>     same electoral census.
>>     >
>>     > If we want to board to hear us and take a decision, we should
>>     try to reach consensus *among us* without co-chairs. I know it
>>     seems difficult, but I'm convinced that at difficult times, this
>>     community will be able to work together.
>>     >
>>     > Eddy, I will love to hear also what you have to say, or if the
>>     board already has worked out something, etc.
>>     >
>>     > Thanks in advance!
>>     >
>>     > Regards,
>>     > Jordi
>>     > @jordipalet
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
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