[rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs

[Fernando Frediani]

You don't have to agree. It is just the way it is either you agree or not.

There is a proper process in the CPM which all that participates here 
accept. The Recall Committee cannot do things at will when they like. 
There is a formal process to be followed, requisites to be fulfilled, 
the Board must sit, discuss and approve and create a Recall Committee 
and then the Recall Committee do a thorough job (which they did) and 
determine de outcome. You may not accept but it is like that and 
currently we don't have more Co-Chairs.

Just wait for the Board to lead the next election process via the staff 
as done before.

Regards
Fernando

On 09/02/2021 03:17, Daniel Yakmut wrote:

>

> I don't agree Fernando, a committee does not usually have that 

> 'absoluteness' you mentioned. I can also understand the remarks 

> 'Findings/Outcome of the Recall Committee' to mean that there is a 

> hanging process.

>

> Please, the committee's outcome remains that the Co-Chairs should be 

> recalled. There must be a pronouncement from the board that 

> constituted the Recall committee. This is not a market square so we 

> cannot take the 'shout of a mad man in the market to mean the 

> proclamation of the king'. The king must speak through the authorised 

> channel, before the people can accept.

>

> Therefore, we wait!

>

> Simply

>

> Daniel

>

>

> On 09/02/2021 3:18 am, Badru Ntege wrote:

>>

>> I believe this is the correct understanding of the outcome.

>>

>> We now need to move forward with the selection of new co-chairs.

>>

>> The community is committed to accept the outcome of the committee.

>>

>> Lets move on.

>>

>> Regards.

>>

>> *From: *Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>

>> *Date: *Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 01:45

>> *To: *"rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] PDWG situation without co-chairs

>>

>> No Daniel, the output of the Recall Committee regarding the Co-Chairs 

>> is already final (read point 19 from their report) according to whats 

>> the CPM says about it, so it does not have to be approved by anyone, 

>> not even the Board itself.

>>

>> So currently we don't have any Co-Chairs.

>>

>> What the Committee has mentioned in the document is for the Board to 

>> lead the election of the new Co-Chairs and determine the transition 

>> during this interim.

>>

>> That's it.

>>

>> Fernando

>>

>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2021, 19:29 Daniel Yakmut via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net 

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>>

>>     Here we are indeed in a strange situation, which we created for

>>     ourselves. A situation we were drumming for. I thought we all had it

>>     figured out and  that is why we called for recall of the Co-chairs.

>>

>>     I am baffled that Jordi is already making a suggestion on how to

>>     proceed

>>     to get new Co-Chairs. When the recommendations of the Recall

>>     Committee

>>     has not being assented to. Though, I don't know who is to approve

>>     the

>>     recommendations of the committee.

>>

>>     Hence, the response of Jordi is not tenable here, since I have

>>     not seen

>>     any declaration that, we don't have co-chairs. I am aware that

>>     the Alan

>>     Barret led committee made recommendations, which requires

>>     acceptance,

>>     approval and implementation.

>>

>>     I am rather seeing a strange situation in the haste that is being

>>     suggested on how to deal with the 'situation of no Co-chairs'.

>>

>>     I am currently studying the documents provided by the Recall

>>     Committee,

>>     to enable one make an appropriate comment. But, at this early

>>     stages the

>>     outcome of the committees report remains just recommendations.

>>

>>

>>     Simply,

>>

>>     Daniel

>>

>>

>>

>>     On 08/02/2021 9:52 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

>>     > Hi all,

>>     >

>>     > We are in a very strange situation now.

>>     >

>>     > We have no co-chairs, we have no meetings (because the Covid)

>>     so elections could take place.

>>     >

>>     > The Recall Committee suggested that the section 3.3 of the CPM

>>     shall take effect (if the working group chair is unable to serve

>>     his or her full term the WG may select a replacement to serve the

>>     remainder of the term).

>>     >

>>     > The Recall Committee report already suggested that the PDWG

>>     should work on this and coordinate with the board.

>>     >

>>     > Guys, this is our "problem" as a community. Remember that the

>>     board is only helping the community here organizing the elections.

>>     >

>>     > Is not the board who choose the candidates and elects them it

>>     is our tasks. Remember that without co-chairs, we can't advance

>>     with our work. Who takes care of ensuring a profitable discussion

>>     in the list for any policy proposal (and we have many in the

>>     table), or even ensuring that there is not any abuse or bad

>>     behavior during this period?

>>     >

>>     > I will like to propose a few ideas and I hope that others also

>>     do the same. Remember that this is transition period:

>>     >

>>     > 1) Ask the board to choose among previous co-chairs that

>>     already have proven experience (and hopefully they accept).

>>     > 2) Nominate ourselves those previous co-chairs.

>>     > 3) A combination of both 1 and 2 above (example, board

>>     nominates one, the community another).

>>     > 4) Instead of looking for a temporary replacement, asking the

>>     board to organize elections in a maximum of 4-6 weeks, using the

>>     same procedure that was prepared for the last time and using the

>>     same electoral census.

>>     >

>>     > If we want to board to hear us and take a decision, we should

>>     try to reach consensus *among us* without co-chairs. I know it

>>     seems difficult, but I'm convinced that at difficult times, this

>>     community will be able to work together.

>>     >

>>     > Eddy, I will love to hear also what you have to say, or if the

>>     board already has worked out something, etc.

>>     >

>>     > Thanks in advance!

>>     >

>>     > Regards,

>>     > Jordi

>>     > @jordipalet

>>     >

>>     >

>>     >

>>     >

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