[rpd] Community Feedback

[Fernando Frediani]

+1

Well said.
What happens in this type of Policy Forum is one of the most important 
stuff for any RIR.

On 02/12/2020 16:44, Murungi Daniel wrote:

> Dear all,

>

> Kindly stop with the crappy “voluntary” argument.

>

> The task of Co-chair is a position of service to the community and 

> voluntary or not, should be held in high esteem.

>

> And yes, there is a lot to gain from serving as Co-chair.

>

>

> Regards,

> Daniel

>

>

>

>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:11 PM, Wijdane Goubi <goubi.wijdane at gmail.com 

>> <mailto:goubi.wijdane at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Dear community,

>>

>> I would like to start by saying that wanting to hurry up and end this 

>> mess in order to move on and take over discussion other proposals has 

>> absolutely nothing to do with fast-tracking the ongoing recall 

>> process and there is neither reason nor benefit for the co-chairs to 

>> fast-track anything at all. At the same time, invoking the section 

>> 3.6 of the CPM was demanded and suggested by the community, thus, it 

>> is not fair to blame the co-chairs for addressing it  and accusing 

>> them of rushing or “fast-tracking” the process. Their job is 

>> VOLUNTARY and some members make it seems like they are gaining 

>> something out of it.

>> The co-chairs acknowledge that some of the claims may be valid, and 

>> are calmly and clearly outlining the true concerns and reasons why 

>> some of the community members oppose by asking for related subjects 

>> and arguments and hoping for the community to give them a clear 

>> direction as to which way to go and yet there is nothing but personal 

>> attacking and pointless emotions.

>> Regarding the so-called “AFRICAN DICTATOR”, besides the fact of it 

>> being very disrespectful, it is so irrelevant, as the meaning of a 

>> “dictator” is someone who behaves in an autocratic way and a person 

>> who exercises absolute power with unrestricted control, typically one 

>> who has obtained control by force. Certainly, it does not seems to be 

>> the case with the co-chairs, as all they do, is literally dedicating 

>> themselves to their job by performing their administrative functions 

>> and working hard to solve the community’s concerns.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Wijdane.

>>

>> Le mer. 2 déc. 2020 à 15:49, Mirriam via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net 

>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> a écrit :

>>

>>     Hi Ekatarina

>>

>>     I read your email and I noted another baseless claim that people

>>     have personal agendas.

>>

>>     Please spell those agendas as you claim.

>>

>>     I am waiting.

>>

>>     Mirriam

>>

>>

>>     On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, 5:05:15 PM GMT+3, Ekaterina

>>     Kalugina <kay.k.prof at gmail.com <mailto:kay.k.prof at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>>

>>     Dear community,

>>

>>     First of all, I would like to note that it is not fair to attack

>>     the co-chairs on the decision to invoke the article 3.6 of the

>>     CPM. This idea is not their initiative, rather it was proposed by

>>     a community member and all the co-chairs are doing its listening

>>     to the concerns of the community, as their duties require.

>>

>>     Secondly, the co-chairs are not making any unilateral decisions

>>     and instead are asking for community feedback on the matter,

>>     again, as their duties require. But instead of giving the

>>     necessary feedback, some of the members seem to focus on

>>     personally attacking the chairs instead. Also, I really doubt

>>     that "African dictators" would ask for the feedback of the

>>     community. Please let us stay rational here.

>>

>>     Thirdly, I fail to see how the proposed policy would benefit the

>>     co-chairs. All it does is add a few mechanisms that ensure

>>     objectivity and transparency of the recall process. This policy

>>     would ensure that the chairs are recalled for a good reason and

>>     not because their decisions got in the way of some personal agendas.

>>

>>     So let us focus on keeping the process as fair and objective as

>>     possible.

>>

>>     Best wishes,

>>     Ekaterina

>>

>>

>>     On Wed, 2 Dec 2020, 14:39 Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net

>>     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>>

>>         Good Day to All,

>>

>>         There are a few sensible responses to settling the dust

>>         arising from the recall attempts of the current Co-Chairs and

>>         the new proposal to make changes to the CPM on recall

>>         procedure. Thank you Egbon Sunday, yours is calming.

>>

>>         However I will want to say thus:

>>

>>         1. There wouldn't have been all these back and forth if not

>>         that some members of the community feel that their opinions

>>         must always be accepted. This is clearly demonstrated by the

>>         Authors of the recall document, coming with trumped up

>>         charges to secure a Recall.

>>

>>         2. The appeal for the Author of the Policy on Changes on the

>>         provisions of recall to withdraw the proposal is a good call.

>>         But, again the Co-authors are duty bound to act on the

>>         proposal, if it is not withdrawn. Importantly, there is no

>>         urgency on the matter. Either way the changes being advocated

>>         cannot possibly be use in the current Recall procedure, the

>>         existing provisions will apply. Therefore, we should calm

>>         nerves knowing that the Co-Chairs will not sit in judgement

>>         on matters that affects them as been insinuated by the usual

>>         "suspects".

>>

>>         3. For me I strongly believe that within us we can resolve

>>         all matters, there are still a few good men/women that see

>>         things clearly and objectively. If we must add an outsider,

>>         we can have one in the Recall committee.

>>

>>         4. While we await the actions of the Board on the

>>         constitution of the Recall committee and the final action of

>>         the committee. I will suggest that members should give the

>>         Co-Chairs some breathing space, the bashing and harassment is

>>         not helping.

>>

>>

>>         Simply,

>>

>>         Daniel

>>

>>

>>         On 02/12/2020 12:47 pm, Sunday Folayan wrote:

>>>

>>>         Dear Co-Chairs,

>>>

>>>         I am still hoping the said proposal will be withdrawn by the

>>>         author, or at the least, wait for us to learn from the

>>>         implementation of the current recall provisions in the CPM.

>>>

>>>         Please stick with the laid down process. There is no

>>>         emergency, or a reason for one.

>>>

>>>         Greetings to the two Co-Chairs. Please relax ... uneasy lies

>>>         the mouth that eats hot Aloco!

>>>

>>>         Sunday.

>>>

>>>         On 12/2/20 5:29 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:

>>>>         Dear PDWG Members,

>>>>         We want to acknowledge the proposal on Co-Chair Recall

>>>>         process and the call for us to invoke section 3.6 of the

>>>>         CPM given the lack of clarity of the current section on the

>>>>         recall process.

>>>>         We note that a few have accused of not taking over similar

>>>>         discussions in the past and regarded it as gross misconduct.

>>>>          We hope the Community would, in the next few days give us

>>>>         a clear direction as to which way to go. We hope to feed

>>>>         the Community back on our decisions by Saturday 5th

>>>>         December 2020.

>>>>         We thank you for your understanding, cooperation and the

>>>>         continued trust in us.

>>>>         Thanks

>>>>         Co-Chairs

>>>>         PDWG

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

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