[rpd] Community Feedback

Wed Dec 2 20:39:25 UTC 2020

+1

Well said.
What happens in this type of Policy Forum is one of the most important 
stuff for any RIR.

On 02/12/2020 16:44, Murungi Daniel wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Kindly stop with the crappy “voluntary” argument.
>
> The task of Co-chair is a position of service to the community and 
> voluntary or not, should be held in high esteem.
>
> And yes, there is a lot to gain from serving as Co-chair.
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
>
>
>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:11 PM, Wijdane Goubi <goubi.wijdane at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:goubi.wijdane at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear community,
>>
>> I would like to start by saying that wanting to hurry up and end this 
>> mess in order to move on and take over discussion other proposals has 
>> absolutely nothing to do with fast-tracking the ongoing recall 
>> process and there is neither reason nor benefit for the co-chairs to 
>> fast-track anything at all. At the same time, invoking the section 
>> 3.6 of the CPM was demanded and suggested by the community, thus, it 
>> is not fair to blame the co-chairs for addressing it  and accusing 
>> them of rushing or “fast-tracking” the process. Their job is 
>> VOLUNTARY and some members make it seems like they are gaining 
>> something out of it.
>> The co-chairs acknowledge that some of the claims may be valid, and 
>> are calmly and clearly outlining the true concerns and reasons why 
>> some of the community members oppose by asking for related subjects 
>> and arguments and hoping for the community to give them a clear 
>> direction as to which way to go and yet there is nothing but personal 
>> attacking and pointless emotions.
>> Regarding the so-called “AFRICAN DICTATOR”, besides the fact of it 
>> being very disrespectful, it is so irrelevant, as the meaning of a 
>> “dictator” is someone who behaves in an autocratic way and a person 
>> who exercises absolute power with unrestricted control, typically one 
>> who has obtained control by force. Certainly, it does not seems to be 
>> the case with the co-chairs, as all they do, is literally dedicating 
>> themselves to their job by performing their administrative functions 
>> and working hard to solve the community’s concerns.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Wijdane.
>>
>> Le mer. 2 déc. 2020 à 15:49, Mirriam via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net 
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> a écrit :
>>
>>     Hi Ekatarina
>>
>>     I read your email and I noted another baseless claim that people
>>     have personal agendas.
>>
>>     Please spell those agendas as you claim.
>>
>>     I am waiting.
>>
>>     Mirriam
>>
>>
>>     On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, 5:05:15 PM GMT+3, Ekaterina
>>     Kalugina <kay.k.prof at gmail.com <mailto:kay.k.prof at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Dear community,
>>
>>     First of all, I would like to note that it is not fair to attack
>>     the co-chairs on the decision to invoke the article 3.6 of the
>>     CPM. This idea is not their initiative, rather it was proposed by
>>     a community member and all the co-chairs are doing its listening
>>     to the concerns of the community, as their duties require.
>>
>>     Secondly, the co-chairs are not making any unilateral decisions
>>     and instead are asking for community feedback on the matter,
>>     again, as their duties require. But instead of giving the
>>     necessary feedback, some of the members seem to focus on
>>     personally attacking the chairs instead. Also, I really doubt
>>     that "African dictators" would ask for the feedback of the
>>     community. Please let us stay rational here.
>>
>>     Thirdly, I fail to see how the proposed policy would benefit the
>>     co-chairs. All it does is add a few mechanisms that ensure
>>     objectivity and transparency of the recall process. This policy
>>     would ensure that the chairs are recalled for a good reason and
>>     not because their decisions got in the way of some personal agendas.
>>
>>     So let us focus on keeping the process as fair and objective as
>>     possible.
>>
>>     Best wishes,
>>     Ekaterina
>>
>>
>>     On Wed, 2 Dec 2020, 14:39 Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net
>>     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         Good Day to All,
>>
>>         There are a few sensible responses to settling the dust
>>         arising from the recall attempts of the current Co-Chairs and
>>         the new proposal to make changes to the CPM on recall
>>         procedure. Thank you Egbon Sunday, yours is calming.
>>
>>         However I will want to say thus:
>>
>>         1. There wouldn't have been all these back and forth if not
>>         that some members of the community feel that their opinions
>>         must always be accepted. This is clearly demonstrated by the
>>         Authors of the recall document, coming with trumped up
>>         charges to secure a Recall.
>>
>>         2. The appeal for the Author of the Policy on Changes on the
>>         provisions of recall to withdraw the proposal is a good call.
>>         But, again the Co-authors are duty bound to act on the
>>         proposal, if it is not withdrawn. Importantly, there is no
>>         urgency on the matter. Either way the changes being advocated
>>         cannot possibly be use in the current Recall procedure, the
>>         existing provisions will apply. Therefore, we should calm
>>         nerves knowing that the Co-Chairs will not sit in judgement
>>         on matters that affects them as been insinuated by the usual
>>         "suspects".
>>
>>         3. For me I strongly believe that within us we can resolve
>>         all matters, there are still a few good men/women that see
>>         things clearly and objectively. If we must add an outsider,
>>         we can have one in the Recall committee.
>>
>>         4. While we await the actions of the Board on the
>>         constitution of the Recall committee and the final action of
>>         the committee. I will suggest that members should give the
>>         Co-Chairs some breathing space, the bashing and harassment is
>>         not helping.
>>
>>
>>         Simply,
>>
>>         Daniel
>>
>>
>>         On 02/12/2020 12:47 pm, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>>>
>>>         Dear Co-Chairs,
>>>
>>>         I am still hoping the said proposal will be withdrawn by the
>>>         author, or at the least, wait for us to learn from the
>>>         implementation of the current recall provisions in the CPM.
>>>
>>>         Please stick with the laid down process. There is no
>>>         emergency, or a reason for one.
>>>
>>>         Greetings to the two Co-Chairs. Please relax ... uneasy lies
>>>         the mouth that eats hot Aloco!
>>>
>>>         Sunday.
>>>
>>>         On 12/2/20 5:29 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:
>>>>         Dear PDWG Members,
>>>>         We want to acknowledge the proposal on Co-Chair Recall
>>>>         process and the call for us to invoke section 3.6 of the
>>>>         CPM given the lack of clarity of the current section on the
>>>>         recall process.
>>>>         We note that a few have accused of not taking over similar
>>>>         discussions in the past and regarded it as gross misconduct.
>>>>          We hope the Community would, in the next few days give us
>>>>         a clear direction as to which way to go. We hope to feed
>>>>         the Community back on our decisions by Saturday 5th
>>>>         December 2020.
>>>>         We thank you for your understanding, cooperation and the
>>>>         continued trust in us.
>>>>         Thanks
>>>>         Co-Chairs
>>>>         PDWG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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