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<p>Well said.<br>
What happens in this type of Policy Forum is one of the most
important stuff for any RIR.</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/12/2020 16:44, Murungi Daniel
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Dear all,
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<div class="">Kindly stop with the crappy “voluntary” argument. </div>
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<div class="">The task of Co-chair is a position of service to the
community and voluntary or not, should be held in high esteem. </div>
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<div class="">And yes, there is a lot to gain from serving as
Co-chair.</div>
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<div class="">Regards,</div>
<div class="">Daniel</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:11 PM, Wijdane Goubi
<<a href="mailto:goubi.wijdane@gmail.com" class=""
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Dear community,<br class="">
<br class="">
I would like to start by saying that wanting to hurry up
and end this mess in order to move on and take over
discussion other proposals has absolutely nothing to do
with fast-tracking the ongoing recall process and there
is neither reason nor benefit for the co-chairs to
fast-track anything at all. At the same time, invoking
the section 3.6 of the CPM was demanded and suggested by
the community, thus, it is not fair to blame the
co-chairs for addressing it and accusing them of
rushing or “fast-tracking” the process. Their job is
VOLUNTARY and some members make it seems like they are
gaining something out of it.<br class="">
The co-chairs acknowledge that some of the claims may be
valid, and are calmly and clearly outlining the true
concerns and reasons why some of the community members
oppose by asking for related subjects and arguments and
hoping for the community to give them a clear direction
as to which way to go and yet there is nothing but
personal attacking and pointless emotions.<br class="">
Regarding the so-called “AFRICAN DICTATOR”, besides the
fact of it being very disrespectful, it is so
irrelevant, as the meaning of a “dictator” is someone
who behaves in an autocratic way and a person who
exercises absolute power with unrestricted control,
typically one who has obtained control by force.
Certainly, it does not seems to be the case with the
co-chairs, as all they do, is literally dedicating
themselves to their job by performing their
administrative functions and working hard to solve the
community’s concerns.<br class="">
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Regards, <br class="">
Wijdane.<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 2 déc. 2020
à 15:49, Mirriam via RPD <<a
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<div class="">Hi Ekatarina <br class="">
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I read your email and I noted another baseless
claim that people have personal agendas.<br
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I am waiting.<br class="">
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Mirriam</div>
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<div class=""> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020,
5:05:15 PM GMT+3, Ekaterina Kalugina <<a
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<div class="">Dear community,
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<div class="">First of all, I would like
to note that it is not fair to attack
the co-chairs on the decision to
invoke the article 3.6 of the CPM.
This idea is not their initiative,
rather it was proposed by a community
member and all the co-chairs are doing
its listening to the concerns of the
community, as their duties require.</div>
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<div class="">Secondly, the co-chairs
are not making any unilateral
decisions and instead are asking for
community feedback on the matter,
again, as their duties require. But
instead of giving the necessary
feedback, some of the members seem to
focus on personally attacking the
chairs instead. Also, I really doubt
that "African dictators" would ask for
the feedback of the community. Please
let us stay rational here.</div>
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<div class="">Thirdly, I fail to see how
the proposed policy would benefit the
co-chairs. All it does is add a few
mechanisms that ensure objectivity and
transparency of the recall process.
This policy would ensure that the
chairs are recalled for a good reason
and not because their decisions got in
the way of some personal agendas.</div>
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<div class="">So let us focus on keeping
the process as fair and objective as
possible. </div>
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<div class="">Best wishes, </div>
<div class="">Ekaterina </div>
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2020, 14:39 Daniel Yakmut via RPD
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<p class="">Good Day to All,</p>
<p class="">There are a few
sensible responses to settling
the dust arising from the recall
attempts of the current
Co-Chairs and the new proposal
to make changes to the CPM on
recall procedure. Thank you
Egbon Sunday, yours is calming.</p>
<p class="">However I will want to
say thus:</p>
<p class="">1. There wouldn't have
been all these back and forth if
not that some members of the
community feel that their
opinions must always be
accepted. This is clearly
demonstrated by the Authors of
the recall document, coming with
trumped up charges to secure a
Recall. <br class=""
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<p class="">2. The appeal for the
Author of the Policy on Changes
on the provisions of recall to
withdraw the proposal is a good
call. But, again the Co-authors
are duty bound to act on the
proposal, if it is not
withdrawn. Importantly, there is
no urgency on the matter. Either
way the changes being advocated
cannot possibly be use in the
current Recall procedure, the
existing provisions will apply.
Therefore, we should calm nerves
knowing that the Co-Chairs will
not sit in judgement on matters
that affects them as been
insinuated by the usual
"suspects".</p>
<p class="">3. For me I strongly
believe that within us we can
resolve all matters, there are
still a few good men/women that
see things clearly and
objectively. If we must add an
outsider, we can have one in the
Recall committee.</p>
<p class="">4. While we await the
actions of the Board on the
constitution of the Recall
committee and the final action
of the committee. I will suggest
that members should give the
Co-Chairs some breathing space,
the bashing and harassment is
not helping.</p>
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<p class="">Simply,</p>
<p class="">Daniel<br class=""
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<p class="">Dear Co-Chairs,</p>
I am still hoping the said
proposal will be withdrawn by
the author, or at the least,
wait for us to learn from the
implementation of the current
recall provisions in the CPM.<br
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<p class="">Please stick with
the laid down process. There
is no emergency, or a reason
for one.</p>
<p class="">Greetings to the two
Co-Chairs. Please relax ...
uneasy lies the mouth that
eats hot Aloco!<br class=""
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<p class="">Sunday.<br class=""
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AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:<br
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PDWG Members, </div>
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want to
acknowledge
the proposal
on Co-Chair
Recall process
and the call
for us to
invoke section
3.6 of the CPM
given the lack
of clarity of
the current
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note that a
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accused of not
taking over
similar
discussions in
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Community
would, in the
next few days
give us a
clear
direction as
to which way
to go. We hope
to feed the
Community back
on our
decisions by
Saturday 5th
December 2020.<br
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for your
understanding,
cooperation
and the
continued
trust in us.<br
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