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    <p>Well said.<br>
      What happens in this type of Policy Forum is one of the most
      important stuff for any RIR.</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/12/2020 16:44, Murungi Daniel
      wrote:<br>
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      Dear all,
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      <div class="">Kindly stop with the crappy “voluntary” argument. </div>
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      <div class="">The task of Co-chair is a position of service to the
        community and voluntary or not, should be held in high esteem. </div>
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      <div class="">And yes, there is a lot to gain from serving as
        Co-chair.</div>
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      <div class="">Regards,</div>
      <div class="">Daniel</div>
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            <div class="">On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:11 PM, Wijdane Goubi
              <<a href="mailto:goubi.wijdane@gmail.com" class=""
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              <div dir="ltr" class="">Dear community,<br class="">
                <br class="">
                I would like to start by saying that wanting to hurry up
                and end this mess in order to move on and take over
                discussion other proposals has absolutely nothing to do
                with fast-tracking the ongoing recall process and there
                is neither reason nor benefit for the co-chairs to
                fast-track anything at all. At the same time, invoking
                the section 3.6 of the CPM was demanded and suggested by
                the community, thus, it is not fair to blame the
                co-chairs for addressing it  and accusing them of
                rushing or “fast-tracking” the process. Their job is
                VOLUNTARY and some members make it seems like they are
                gaining something out of it.<br class="">
                The co-chairs acknowledge that some of the claims may be
                valid, and are calmly and clearly outlining the true
                concerns and reasons why some of the community members
                oppose by asking for related subjects and arguments and
                hoping for the community to give them a clear direction
                as to which way to go and yet there is nothing but
                personal attacking and pointless emotions.<br class="">
                Regarding the so-called “AFRICAN DICTATOR”, besides the
                fact of it being very disrespectful, it is so
                irrelevant, as the meaning of a “dictator” is someone
                who behaves in an autocratic way and a person who
                exercises absolute power with unrestricted control,
                typically one who has obtained control by force.
                Certainly, it does not seems to be the case with the
                co-chairs, as all they do, is literally dedicating
                themselves to their job by performing their
                administrative functions and working hard to solve the
                community’s concerns.<br class="">
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                Regards, <br class="">
                Wijdane.<br class="">
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 2 déc. 2020
                  à 15:49, Mirriam via RPD <<a
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                        <div class="">Hi Ekatarina <br class="">
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                          I read your email and I noted another baseless
                          claim that people have personal agendas.<br
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                          Please spell those agendas as you claim.<br
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                          I am waiting.<br class="">
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                          Mirriam</div>
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                        <div class=""> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020,
                          5:05:15 PM GMT+3, Ekaterina Kalugina <<a
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                              <div class="">Dear community,
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                                <div class="">First of all, I would like
                                  to note that it is not fair to attack
                                  the co-chairs on the decision to
                                  invoke the article 3.6 of the CPM.
                                  This idea is not their initiative,
                                  rather it was proposed by a community
                                  member and all the co-chairs are doing
                                  its listening to the concerns of the
                                  community, as their duties require.</div>
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                                <div class="">Secondly, the co-chairs
                                  are not making any unilateral
                                  decisions and instead are asking for
                                  community feedback on the matter,
                                  again, as their duties require. But
                                  instead of giving the necessary
                                  feedback, some of the members seem to
                                  focus on personally attacking the
                                  chairs instead. Also, I really doubt
                                  that "African dictators" would ask for
                                  the feedback of the community. Please
                                  let us stay rational here.</div>
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                                <div class="">Thirdly, I fail to see how
                                  the proposed policy would benefit the
                                  co-chairs. All it does is add a few
                                  mechanisms that ensure objectivity and
                                  transparency of the recall process.
                                  This policy would ensure that the
                                  chairs are recalled for a good reason
                                  and not because their decisions got in
                                  the way of some personal agendas.</div>
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                                </div>
                                <div class="">So let us focus on keeping
                                  the process as fair and objective as
                                  possible. </div>
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                                <div class="">Best wishes, </div>
                                <div class="">Ekaterina </div>
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                                  <div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, 2 Dec
                                    2020, 14:39 Daniel Yakmut via RPD
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                                      <p class="">Good Day to All,</p>
                                      <p class="">There are a few
                                        sensible responses to settling
                                        the dust arising from the recall
                                        attempts of the current
                                        Co-Chairs and the new proposal
                                        to make changes to the CPM on
                                        recall procedure. Thank you
                                        Egbon Sunday, yours is calming.</p>
                                      <p class="">However I will want to
                                        say thus:</p>
                                      <p class="">1. There wouldn't have
                                        been all these back and forth if
                                        not that some members of the
                                        community feel that their
                                        opinions must always be
                                        accepted. This is clearly
                                        demonstrated by the Authors of
                                        the recall document, coming with
                                        trumped up charges to secure a
                                        Recall. <br class=""
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                                      <p class="">2. The appeal for the
                                        Author of the Policy on Changes
                                        on the provisions of recall to
                                        withdraw the proposal is a good
                                        call. But, again the Co-authors
                                        are duty bound to act on the
                                        proposal, if it is not
                                        withdrawn. Importantly, there is
                                        no urgency on the matter. Either
                                        way the changes being advocated
                                        cannot possibly be use in the
                                        current Recall procedure, the
                                        existing provisions will apply.
                                        Therefore, we should calm nerves
                                        knowing that the Co-Chairs will
                                        not sit in judgement on matters
                                        that affects them as been
                                        insinuated by the usual
                                        "suspects".</p>
                                      <p class="">3. For me I strongly
                                        believe that within us we can
                                        resolve all matters, there are
                                        still a few good men/women that
                                        see things clearly and
                                        objectively. If we must add an
                                        outsider, we can have one in the
                                        Recall committee.</p>
                                      <p class="">4. While we await the
                                        actions of the Board on the
                                        constitution of the Recall
                                        committee and the final action
                                        of the committee. I will suggest
                                        that members should give the
                                        Co-Chairs some breathing space,
                                        the bashing and harassment is
                                        not helping.</p>
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                                      <p class="">Simply,</p>
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                                      <div class="">On 02/12/2020 12:47
                                        pm, Sunday Folayan wrote:<br
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                                        <p class="">Dear Co-Chairs,</p>
                                        I am still hoping the said
                                        proposal will be withdrawn by
                                        the author, or at the least,
                                        wait for us to learn from the
                                        implementation of the current
                                        recall provisions in the CPM.<br
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                                        <p class="">Please stick with
                                          the laid down process. There
                                          is no emergency, or a reason
                                          for one.</p>
                                        <p class="">Greetings to the two
                                          Co-Chairs. Please relax ...
                                          uneasy lies the mouth that
                                          eats hot Aloco!<br class=""
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                                        <p class="">Sunday.<br class=""
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                                        <div class="">On 12/2/20 5:29
                                          AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:<br
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                                                          want to
                                                          acknowledge
                                                          the proposal
                                                          on Co-Chair
                                                          Recall process
                                                          and the call
                                                          for us to
                                                          invoke section
                                                          3.6 of the CPM
                                                          given the lack
                                                          of clarity of
                                                          the current
                                                          section on the
                                                          recall
                                                          process. <br
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                                                          note that a
                                                          few have
                                                          accused of not
                                                          taking over
                                                          similar
                                                          discussions in
                                                          the past and
                                                          regarded it as
                                                          gross
                                                          misconduct.<br
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                                                           We hope the
                                                          Community
                                                          would, in the
                                                          next few days
                                                          give us a
                                                          clear
                                                          direction as
                                                          to which way
                                                          to go. We hope
                                                          to feed the
                                                          Community back
                                                          on our
                                                          decisions by
                                                          Saturday 5th
                                                          December 2020.<br
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                                                          for your
                                                          understanding,
                                                          cooperation
                                                          and the
                                                          continued
                                                          trust in us.<br
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                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
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                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
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