[rpd] End of Last call

[Ekaterina Kalugina]

Dear community,

It has been really disconcerting reading the last night's discussion. The
amount of personal attacks and passive aggressive statements is making the
discussion completely futile. The road of pointing fingers leads nowhere.
So let us please stop this and focus on the facts.

And the facts are that there seems to be a single section of the CPM that
is causing most of the controversy. Namely is it the section 3.4.3 on the
Last Call. From what I can see one camp is arguing that no changes can be
made during the last call. While the other camp is arguing that it is not
forbidden.

This is the problem with language - it always leaves room for
interpretation. Therefore, different people reading this section would
interpret it differently.

But the fact is that NO violations took place. Yes, it is true that the
section does not explicitly talk about making changes during the last call.
However, it does not prohibit us from doing so.

 As for Jordi's argument that this is not how it's interpreted in the other
RIRs - it is irrelevant. The only thing that matters right now is how we
can best interpret the CPM for the benefit of the AFRINIC community.

Some of you with different understanding of the CPM may disagree. And it's
okay. It seems like the way things are now, achieving any form of agreement
is impossible. The only thing that is the possible is to follow the CPM in
the way that benefits the community. And it has been clearly stated many
times that having a resource transfer policy as soon as possible IS for the
benefit of the community. It is also in the benefit of the community that
such policy shall be fully compatible with other RIRs. Therefore, it is for
the benefit of the community and the region that the necessary changes are
made during the last call.

And again for those in the back, the CPM does NOT prohibit changes during
the last call. Therefore, technically speaking no violations have occurred.

Finally, I would like to point out that the CPM is there to SERVE the best
interests community. It really pains me to see how many of you put the
wording of the rules above the interests of the people these rules are
meant to represent.

The fact is that many will suffer if this policy is not passed in a timely
manner. And i firmly believe that it is our duty to prevent this from
happening in any way we can.

Best,

Ekaterina


On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 11:07 lucilla fornaro <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>
wrote:


>

> Dear Mirriam,

>

> Is this a competition on who joined the community first?

> I keep reading insults and arguments that NOTHING have to do with this

> policy and the end of the last call. In an open and inclusive community

> like Afrinic it is normal to have newbies. Most of the people here have

> professional experience in some related fields, and their contribution

> should be welcomed and appreciated, that's how a community grows.

>

> Regarding the more serious matter, Co-chairs followed the procedure

> performing their administrative function within the scope of the CPM, and

> those who disagree with it did not offer a solution to get the community

> out of this standoff.

>

> In my opinion, when situations like this happen, the only way is to follow

> the procedure and direction of co-chairs.

>

> regards,

>

> Lucilla

>

>

> Il giorno ven 9 ott 2020 alle ore 06:03 Mirriam via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> ha scritto:

>

>> Hi Pascal,

>>

>> Long time since Kampala last year.

>>

>> Just to add that we have always had newbies who join the rpd list and

>> become part of the pdwg , learn and contribute  to discussions and I was

>> one of them since back in 2015.

>>

>> We have also had newbies like Hilario who appears, contributes like the

>> world is ending and then disappear from the face of rpd.

>>

>> We have also had newbies who behave like paid up mercenaries. But we

>> welcome newbies of course and some of us are learning and contributing one

>> day at a time.

>>

>> I think what others are saying is that, newbies must also take time and

>> learn rather than jumping to conclusion.

>>

>> I am a woman and I have never been intimidated by anyone here or even

>> during my first ever AIS meeting in Kampala, I was happy to meet people,

>> learn and socialize with all and believe me I learned a lot from seniors

>> that today I am able to contribute my 2 cents once in a while.

>>

>> Best regards,

>> Mirriam

>>

>>

>> On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 11:17:37 PM GMT+3, Paschal Ochang <

>> pascosoft at gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>

>> I don't think it will be right to make some derogatory remarks with

>> respect to participant's timeline of entry into the discussions. Rather, we

>> should look at the content of discussions and contributions which in this

>> case is very positive. We as a community encourage active participation to

>> bring the best out of Policy development outcomes. A few years ago this

>> platform wasn't that active but the amount of recent comments and

>> participation shows that there is a move in the positive direction.

>>

>> The so called newbies have been giving intelligent contributions

>> therefore telling them to go and read committees archives does not

>> necessarily dictate that they are not well schooled or knowledgeable to

>> engage in the PDP process.

>>

>>

>> Thursday, October 8, 2020, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> +1. Let not waste  our valuable time.  No need to also try to understand

>> why these people are so afraid of appeal.   These newbies should read

>> carefully the PDP and consult the appeal committee's archives to educate

>> themselves  https://afrinic.net/policy/ appeal-committee/appeal-2018-

>> 01-02#details

>> <https://afrinic.net/policy/appeal-committee/appeal-2018-01-02#details>

>>

>> Thanks

>>

>> --

>> Arnaud

>>

>> Le jeu. 8 oct. 2020 à 14:04, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> a

>> écrit :

>>

>> Gaby please read the PDP correctly and do not confuse people.

>>

>> The section 3.5.1 of the CPM says "disagrees with the actions taken by

>> the Chair(s)" not just with declarations made during the PPM. The Chairs

>> could have changed their decision meanwhile but unfortunately they haven't

>> done. They have just decided to keep it and it is "a decision" which by the

>> CPM bound to appeal.

>>

>> Fernando

>> On 08/10/2020 10:49, Gaby Giner wrote:

>>

>> Dear community,

>>

>> I agree with Lucilla but only wish to add 1 point.

>>

>> I think everyone has overlooked one huge matter.

>>

>> It is true that by section 3.5(1) of the CPM “A person who disagrees with

>> the actions taken by the Chair(s) shall discuss the matter with the PDWG

>> Chair(s) or with the PDWG”.

>>

>> However, I wish to remind everyone that by section 3.5(2) of the CPM,

>> “The appeal must be submitted within two weeks of the public knowledge of

>> the decision”.

>>

>> Applying this into the current facts, the Chair has publicly announced

>> its decision on 17th September 2020 through the online PPM, whereas, the

>> disagreement/appeal is only made on 2nd October 2020 onward, which is

>> factually beyond the 14 days period to appeal.

>>

>> Therefore, the disagreements/appeal made in this email thread/mailing

>> list must be deemed invalid and be disregarded.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Gaby

>>

>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 9:05 PM lucilla fornaro, <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.

>> com <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Sami, dear all,

>>

>> Most of the arguments supporting the policy were not mere "opinions".

>> A quick reminder, the policy reached a rough consensus during the PPM and

>> went to the last call for some editorial changes. The authors, Taiwo and

>> Anthony, proved to be remarkably active to manage minor issues and

>> solicitudes from the community. The resource transfer policy aims to build

>> a stable and efficient resources management system for the Afrinic service

>> region.

>> The overall discussion has been full of controversies undermining the

>> work of the co-chairs, an unfair behavior in my opinion.  Also, the

>> arguments against the policy have been strongly taken apart.

>> We have been debating this policy for weeks, it is now time to move it to

>> the board for ratification.

>>

>> regards,

>>

>> Lucilla

>>

>>

>>

>> Il giorno gio 8 ott 2020 alle ore 21:09 Sami Ait Ali Oulahcen via RPD <

>> rpd at afrinic.net> ha scritto:

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> I can't see how the "Resource Transfer Policy" could have reached

>> consensus.

>> I think the co-chairs' prerogative is to declare consensus on policies,

>> not general opinions. And "we need an inter-RIR transfer policy" is a

>> general opinion, not a policy.

>> The policy in question still had objections (non-editorial) before last

>> call. And it received significant changes during the last call period

>> (it is not what last call is meant for).

>>

>> Not that I have any interest in the policy itself being ratified or not.

>> It shouldn't be done this way.

>>

>> Just my 2c.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Sami

>>

>> On 10/8/20 12:30 AM, Moses Serugo wrote:

>> > Hello PDWG members,

>> >

>> > Following the last online PPM held on 16^th -17^th September 2020. Last

>> > call was announced on 21^st September 2020 for the following policy

>> > proposals.

>> >

>> >   * Board Prerogatives on the PDP

>> >   * Resource Transfer Policy

>> >

>> > This is to further announce that the  last call period for the above

>> > proposals has ended, based on feedback received from the community and

>> > the editorial changes made by authors to address community concerns,

>> the

>> > consensus decision from AFRINIC32 is still maintained.

>> >

>> > Co-Chairs will now send a report to the Board recommending ratification

>> > of the two above proposals in line with CPM 3.0.

>> >

>> > Regards,

>> >

>> > Co-Chairs

>> >

>> >

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>> Paschal.

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