[rpd] End of Last call

[ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE]

Dear Noah,
We have so much respect for you; however, you are yet to* clearly tell us
which aspect of the CPM we have breached*.
Regarding your previous email
(https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011456.html),
a) Potential means  "with the capacity to develop or happen in the future"
b) general means "affecting or concerning all or most people or things;
widespread" therefore there is a clear difference between potential and
general. Again as long as the problem statement is well understood we don't
bother our head about it cos it does not go into the CPM.
Regarding the second part of your suggestion. I specifically ask the
authors to take them into consideration cos of the respect I have for your
opinions and this was reflected in the final draft. cos of your concerns
was fixed. Now I wonder when you say we ignored you. ALL the suggestions
you made

In as much as we are ready and considering all the suggestions, I repeat it
cannot be an emotional suggestion. We are expected to take tough decisions
in our best interest. I give an example,  We have had suggestions asking us
to declare consensus outside of during a PPM, and we wonder do we read the
CPM. When the CPM clearly says "The Chair(s) determine(s) whether rough
consensus has been achieved during the Public Policy Meeting".  Therefore
even if we made a mistake of declaring that a policy proposal did not
achieve consensus during the PPM, we could not ordinarily change that after
the PPM. However, the reverse is allowed with reasons. We did this in the
past we were criticised, and hell was let loose for this now we are
sticking to our decision because we are making sure that the authors fix
the issues raised. Tell me which other alternative is available to us?
We shall be glad if ANY of those saying we BREACHED the CPM can tell us
what section of the CPM we breached. Don't just say we breached the CPM but
tell us the section. There is no doubt about it; the CPM is the ultimate
guide for us. If we breach it, we will change our decisions because we
clearly cannot breach it. We shall be happy if this can be pointed out.

Cheers

Co-Chair
PDWG


On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 9:24 PM Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:


>

> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:59 PM ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <

> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:

>

>> Dear Jordi and PDWG,

>> *We made sure we followed the CPM to the letter on this issue,*

>>

>

> You did not.

>

>

>> and we believe that we did our best to bring this issue that has been a

>> pain to the community laid to rest in a timely manner.

>>

>

> What do you mean as a pain to the community. This is about your believes

> and this is where you folk don't seem to understand. You can't sneak a

> proposal past last call just because you think or believe you are laying

> something to rest in a timely manner.

>

>

>> As said earlier, whichever way we go, some would object to it,

>>

>

> Valid, invalid and sustained objections are what policy development is all

> about. This is not about your subjectivity or belief that at the end of the

> day some will object.

>

> Of Course the working group will object as long as issues are not

> addressed and that is how the PDP works.

>

>

>> and we decided to deal with this once and for all

>>

>

> It's not your place as co-chairs to decide to deal with things once and

> for all. Consensus is a matter of both the entire PDWG if you somehow

> forgot.

>

>

>> in the best interest of the community with the least possible pain to the

>> community.

>>

>

> What is in the best interest of the community when you ignore and

> subjectively force a proposal forward in light of all objections and calls

> by a good number of working group members to take this flawed proposal back

> for discussions. You ignore the email from staff about reciprocity which

> you yourself jumped to ask Madvhi for help on the issue.

>

>

>> You elected us to serve the best interest of the community while leaving

>> behind emotional issues, and we would continue to do just as best as we

>> can.

>>

>

> Save me the rhetoric about "the best interest of the community" because

> you are doing very poorly if you asked me.

>

> Noah

>

>


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