[rpd] Decisions and summary on policy proposals discussed during the online Policy meeting (AFRINIC 32)

[Daniel Yakmut]

Hello Fernando,

I don't think it was only PPM points that were considered at reaching at 
the conclusions on Resource Transfer Policy or any other policies for 
that matter. In my view I could see that the Co-Chairs were able to 
navigate the historical backgrounds (which included PPMs and the List) 
of all the policies and come to some reasonable conclusions. However, 
some omissions may occur, but that should not be considered as deliberate.

What is also of importance here, is the fact that a single statement can 
be overwhelming and compelling over several others that have been 
repeatedly mentioned. Clearly, such have occurred with just the one 
mention you are referring.

So, the fact that some one person mention the matter, it means the 
Co-Authors did not project any personal views on saying that rough 
consensus was reached. Generally, the Co-authors did a fairly good job 
of giving us timely summary of the state of all the policies discussed 
at the online  PPM.


Simply

Daniel

On 21/09/2020 4:23 pm, Fernando Frediani wro

>

> Hello Abdulkarim

>

> So you are taking in consideration something that one mentioned in a 

> single day opportunity over what has been discussed for months in the 

> list for for a much larger number of people who contributed to it ? 

> You are considering what has been discussed in the PPM as final and as 

> something that has to be adjusted in the proposal because of that 

> single day discussion ?

>

> I am not saying by that that you should not consider or consider less 

> what has been discussed in the PPM, but *at minimum* this discussion 

> *must happen also in this RPD list* to find out if this is really a 

> consensus and clearly it doesn't seem to be as there are multiple 

> people who don't agree with it. Actually this is a *very controversial 

> point* that may cause more issues than the historical holding of 

> unused resources by the legacy holders may cause.

>

> Even if you Co-Chairs consider it's good, your personal view can not 

> be a decision factor for that to be considered rough consensus.

>

> If this point is automatically considered rough consensus in this way, 

> without proper discussion with others that did not have the 

> opportunity to participate on the PPM we will certainly appeal from 

> this decision which is dismissing many other people who may not agree 

> and have plenty of reasons for that.

>

> Fernando

>

>> *From:* ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>

>> *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2020 7:43 AM

>> *To:* Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>

>> *Cc:* rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Decisions and summary on policy proposals 

>> discussed during the online Policy meeting (AFRINIC 32)

>>

>> Dear Fernando,

>>

>> It was mentioned durring the PPM. Please watch the recordings.

>>

>> Thanks

>>

>> Co-Chair

>>

>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:19 AM Fernando Frediani 

>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>>     On 20/09/2020 21:04, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:

>>

>>

>>         <clip>

>>

>>         10. Resource Transfer Policy

>>

>>         This proposal aims to introduce Inter RIR transfer. However,

>>         it has the following opposition

>>

>>         a. Issues with Legacy holder transfer is potentially

>>         considered none-reciprocal by ARIN

>>

>>         b. Potential abuse of AFRINIC free pool without the time

>>         limit of receiving an allocation from AFRINIC.

>>

>>         Chairs Decision: The proposal is the least contested of all

>>         the 3 competing proposals. However because of the community’s

>>         desire and clear expression for the  need for an Inter RIR

>>         transfer, we, the Co-chairs, believe that in the interest of

>>         the community we should focus on a proposal rather than

>>         several similar ones. This desire was clearly expressed at

>>         the AFRINIC 31 meeting in Angola. Therefore, We suggest that

>>         the authors of this proposal make the following amendments:

>>

>>         · 5.7.3.2 Source entities are not eligible to receive further

>>         IPv4 allocations or assignments from AFRINIC for 12 months

>>         period after the transfer.

>>

>>         · 5.7.4.3. Transferred legacy resources will still be

>>         regarded as legacy resources.

>>

>>

>>     I don't remember during the discussion of this proposal someone

>>     making a point for legacy resources once transferred to remain

>>     with legacy status. It doesn't make sense at all.

>>     In all RIRs I know any legacy resources once transferred looses

>>     the legacy status and that makes *a lot of sense* in order to end

>>     up with a historical distortion to the system and favor resources

>>     end up on organizations who really justify for them now a days.

>>

>>     Can the Co-Chairs point in which part of the discussion of this

>>     proposal this claim was made in order to consider that a rough

>>     consensus ? I have searched in the RPD Archives on the content of

>>     this discussion for months and couldn't find any mention to this

>>     point.

>>

>>     Thanks

>>     Fernando

>>

>>         Chairs Decision: Provided that the above are amended, the

>>         decisions is Rough Consensus is achieved

>>

>>         Based on the above, The updated version of the follow

>>         proposal which achieved rough consensus would be posted on

>>         the PDWG website

>>

>>         *1. Board Prerogatives *

>>

>>         *2. Resource Transfer Policy*

>>

>>         Therefore, these two policies are now on last call.

>>

>>

>>         Co-Chair

>>

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