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<p>Hello Fernando,</p>
<p>I don't think it was only PPM points that were considered at
reaching at the conclusions on Resource Transfer Policy or any
other policies for that matter. In my view I could see that the
Co-Chairs were able to navigate the historical backgrounds (which
included PPMs and the List) of all the policies and come to some
reasonable conclusions. However, some omissions may occur, but
that should not be considered as deliberate.</p>
<p>What is also of importance here, is the fact that a single
statement can be overwhelming and compelling over several others
that have been repeatedly mentioned. Clearly, such have occurred
with just the one mention you are referring.</p>
<p>So, the fact that some one person mention the matter, it means
the Co-Authors did not project any personal views on saying that
rough consensus was reached. Generally, the Co-authors did a
fairly good job of giving us timely summary of the state of all
the policies discussed at the online PPM.</p>
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<p>Simply</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
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<p>Hello Abdulkarim</p>
<p>So you are taking in consideration something that one mentioned
in a single day opportunity over what has been discussed for
months in the list for for a much larger number of people who
contributed to it ? You are considering what has been discussed
in the PPM as final and as something that has to be adjusted in
the proposal because of that single day discussion ?</p>
<p>I am not saying by that that you should not consider or
consider less what has been discussed in the PPM, but <b>at
minimum</b> this discussion <b>must happen also in this RPD
list</b> to find out if this is really a consensus and clearly
it doesn't seem to be as there are multiple people who don't
agree with it. Actually this is a *very controversial point*
that may cause more issues than the historical holding of unused
resources by the legacy holders may cause.</p>
<p>Even if you Co-Chairs consider it's good, your personal view
can not be a decision factor for that to be considered rough
consensus.</p>
<p>If this point is automatically considered rough consensus in
this way, without proper discussion with others that did not
have the opportunity to participate on the PPM we will certainly
appeal from this decision which is dismissing many other people
who may not agree and have plenty of reasons for that.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Decisions and summary on policy
proposals discussed during the online Policy meeting
(AFRINIC 32)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It was mentioned durring the PPM.
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Resource
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proposal aims
to introduce
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transfer.
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Issues with
Legacy holder
transfer is
potentially
considered
none-reciprocal
by ARIN</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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pool without
the time limit
of receiving
an allocation
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Decision: The
proposal is
the least
contested of
all the 3
competing
proposals.
However
because of the
community’s
desire and
clear
expression for
the need for
an Inter RIR
transfer, we,
the Co-chairs,
believe that
in the
interest of
the community
we should
focus on a
proposal
rather than
several
similar ones.
This desire
was clearly
expressed at
the AFRINIC 31
meeting in
Angola.
Therefore, We
suggest that
the authors of
this proposal
make the
following
amendments: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Source
entities are
not eligible
to receive
further IPv4
allocations or
assignments
from AFRINIC
for 12 months
period after
the transfer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Transferred
legacy
resources will
still be
regarded as
legacy
resources.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I don't remember during the discussion of this
proposal someone making a point for legacy resources
once transferred to remain with legacy status. It
doesn't make sense at all.<br>
In all RIRs I know any legacy resources once
transferred looses the legacy status and that makes <b>a
lot of sense</b> in order to end up with a
historical distortion to the system and favor
resources end up on organizations who really justify
for them now a days.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Can the Co-Chairs point in which part of the
discussion of this proposal this claim was made in
order to consider that a rough consensus ? I have
searched in the RPD Archives on the content of this
discussion for months and couldn't find any mention to
this point.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks<br>
Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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Provided that
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decisions is
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achieved
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