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    <p>Hello Fernando,</p>
    <p>I don't think it was only PPM points that were considered at
      reaching at the conclusions on Resource Transfer Policy or any
      other policies for that matter. In my view I could see that the
      Co-Chairs were able to navigate the historical backgrounds (which
      included PPMs and the List) of all the policies and come to some
      reasonable conclusions. However, some omissions may occur, but
      that should not be considered as deliberate.</p>
    <p>What is also of importance here, is the fact that a single
      statement can be overwhelming and compelling over several others
      that have been repeatedly mentioned. Clearly, such have occurred
      with just the one mention you are referring.</p>
    <p>So, the fact that some one person mention the matter, it means
      the Co-Authors did not project any personal views on saying that
      rough consensus was reached. Generally, the Co-authors did a
      fairly good job of giving us timely summary of the state of all
      the policies discussed at the online  PPM.</p>
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    <p>Simply</p>
    <p>Daniel<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/09/2020 4:23 pm, Fernando
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      <p>Hello Abdulkarim</p>
      <p>So you are taking in consideration something that one mentioned
        in a single day opportunity over what has been discussed for
        months in the list for for a much larger number of people who
        contributed to it ? You are considering what has been discussed
        in the PPM as final and as something that has to be adjusted in
        the proposal because of that single day discussion ?</p>
      <p>I am not saying by that that you should not consider or
        consider less what has been discussed in the PPM, but <b>at
          minimum</b> this discussion <b>must happen also in this RPD
          list</b> to find out if this is really a consensus and clearly
        it doesn't seem to be as there are multiple people who don't
        agree with it. Actually this is a *very controversial point*
        that may cause more issues than the historical holding of unused
        resources by the legacy holders may cause.</p>
      <p>Even if you Co-Chairs consider it's good, your personal view
        can not be a decision factor for that to be considered rough
        consensus.</p>
      <p>If this point is automatically considered rough consensus in
        this way, without proper discussion with others that did not
        have the opportunity to participate on the PPM we will certainly
        appeal from this decision which is dismissing many other people
        who may not agree and have plenty of reasons for that.</p>
      <p>Fernando<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <a
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            <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 21, 2020 7:43 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Fernando Frediani <a
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              href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> rpd List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Decisions and summary on policy
            proposals discussed during the online Policy meeting
            (AFRINIC 32)<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Fernando,<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">It was mentioned durring the PPM.
                Please watch the recordings.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Co-Chair<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:19 AM
                Fernando Frediani <<a
                  href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
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                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 20/09/2020 21:04, ABDULKARIM
                    OLOYEDE wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          proposal aims
                                                          to introduce
                                                          Inter RIR
                                                          transfer.
                                                          However, it
                                                          has the
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                                                          Issues with
                                                          Legacy holder
                                                          transfer is
                                                          potentially
                                                          considered
                                                          none-reciprocal
                                                          by ARIN</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          Potential
                                                          abuse of
                                                          AFRINIC free
                                                          pool without
                                                          the time limit
                                                          of receiving
                                                          an allocation
                                                          from AFRINIC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          Decision: The
                                                          proposal is
                                                          the least
                                                          contested of
                                                          all the 3
                                                          competing
                                                          proposals.
                                                          However
                                                          because of the
                                                          community’s
                                                          desire and
                                                          clear
                                                          expression for
                                                          the  need for
                                                          an Inter RIR
                                                          transfer, we,
                                                          the Co-chairs,
                                                          believe that
                                                          in the
                                                          interest of
                                                          the community
                                                          we should
                                                          focus on a
                                                          proposal
                                                          rather than
                                                          several
                                                          similar ones.
                                                          This desire
                                                          was clearly
                                                          expressed at
                                                          the AFRINIC 31
                                                          meeting in
                                                          Angola.
                                                          Therefore, We
                                                          suggest that
                                                          the authors of
                                                          this proposal
                                                          make the
                                                          following
                                                          amendments: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          Source
                                                          entities are
                                                          not eligible
                                                          to receive
                                                          further IPv4
                                                          allocations or
                                                          assignments
                                                          from AFRINIC
                                                          for 12 months
                                                          period after
                                                          the transfer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          Transferred
                                                          legacy
                                                          resources will
                                                          still be
                                                          regarded as
                                                          legacy
                                                          resources.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  I don't remember during the discussion of this
                  proposal someone making a point for legacy resources
                  once transferred to remain with legacy status. It
                  doesn't make sense at all.<br>
                  In all RIRs I know any legacy resources once
                  transferred looses the legacy status and that makes <b>a
                    lot of sense</b> in order to end up with a
                  historical distortion to the system and favor
                  resources end up on organizations who really justify
                  for them now a days.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>Can the Co-Chairs point in which part of the
                  discussion of this proposal this claim was made in
                  order to consider that a rough consensus ? I have
                  searched in the RPD Archives on the content of this
                  discussion for months and couldn't find any mention to
                  this point.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>Thanks<br>
                  Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          the above are
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                                                          updated
                                                          version of the
                                                          follow
                                                          proposal which
                                                          achieved rough
                                                          consensus
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                                                          posted on the
                                                          PDWG website </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          now on last
                                                          call. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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