[rpd] Resource Transfer Policy

[Ahile shagba francis]

You all will agree that the Internet will not grow in an efficient way in
the Afrinic region without a transfer policy proposal like this one.
Everyones view is important but we ought to take the most important
decisions here.
I believe we all are here for the growth of the RIR thus we need shun ego
and see reasons with what is obtainable
I support this policy in it's totality.

Cheers .
Ahile Shagba!


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:52 PM <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:


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> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:24:14 +0200

> From: Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>

> To: Jaco Kroon <jaco at uls.co.za>

> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net

> Subject: Re: [rpd] Abuse Contact Policy

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> Hi Jaco

>

> While we must appreciate all inputs, I get very concerned when people who

> do not operate networks start talking about the operational resource issues

> involved in network operations.

>

> If the concern was on a policy level, rather than operational - I would

> give it greater consideration.

>

> Just my 2c, no doubt will be flamed.

>

> Mike

>

> > On 17 Sep 2020, at 14:16, Jaco Kroon <jaco at uls.co.za> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Having been on the receiving side of identifiable sources of "bad"

> traffic, and not being able to locate abuse contacts for the origin

> network, I'm in support of this policy.

> >

> > I would like to find out how this policy can conceivably lead to any

> waste of resources?  As I see it you need to make sure your abuse contact

> details are published in the whois database.

> >

> > Hooking this in with the dashboard policy, this is something that can

> (and should be) checked automatically, further more, as per ISPA checks in

> SA even validating that the emails are being read and responded to by a

> human can be automated fairly quickly, and hooked into any dashboard or

> automated notification system to ensure that LIRs are aware of problems

> before Afrinic needs to get involved.

> >

> > In the bigger scheme of things, this policy is more likely to save

> resources rather than waste them.  If you've ever been on the receiving end

> of things you'll know exactly what I mean.

> >

> > Kind Regards,

> > Jaco

> >

> > On 2020/09/17 11:44, Precious Paul wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> As mentioned in the above points the resources poured into this new

> version of the policy  would most likely lead to a huge waste of resources,

> which could and should be used at other policies and parts of the

> organization

> >>

> >> Best Regards,

> >> Precious Paul.

> >>

> >>

> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:19 AM lucilla fornaro <

> lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com <mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> >> Dear all,

> >>

> >> I have some concerns about the ?Abuse Contact Policy?.

> >> First of all, it does not offer a specific and regulated description of

> the term ?abuse?  and this opens the door to potentially bigger problems: a

> surplus of reports, discrimination/legal issues, and a waste of resources.

> Around the world, we can perceive what abuse is in very different ways.

> >>

> >> Afrinic is not entitled to force members to report abuses and most

> importantly, this proposal does not represent Afrinic?s purpose.

> >>

> >> I, therefore, oppose this policy.

> >>

> >>

> >> Thank you,

> >>

> >> Lucilla

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> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:51:15 +0200

> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>

> To: Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>, rpd at afrinic.net

> Subject: Re: [rpd] Abuse Contact Policy

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> Haha - Mike the Lawyer saying that. I totally agree with you!

>

> On 2020/09/17 14:24, Mike Silber wrote:

> > Hi Jaco

> >

> > While we must appreciate all inputs, I get very concerned when people

> > who do not operate networks start talking about the operational

> > resource issues involved in network operations.

> >

> > If the concern was on a policy level, rather than operational - I

> > would give it greater consideration.

> >

> > Just my 2c, no doubt will be flamed.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >> On 17 Sep 2020, at 14:16, Jaco Kroon <jaco at uls.co.za

> >> <mailto:jaco at uls.co.za>> wrote:

> >>

> >> Hi,

> >>

> >> Having been on the receiving side of identifiable sources of "bad"

> >> traffic, and not being able to locate abuse contacts for the origin

> >> network, I'm in support of this policy.

> >>

> >> I would like to find out how this policy can conceivably lead to any

> >> waste of resources?? As I see it you need to make sure your abuse

> >> contact details are published in the whois database.

> >>

> >> Hooking this in with the dashboard policy, this is something that can

> >> (and should be) checked automatically, further more, as per ISPA

> >> checks in SA even validating that the emails are being read and

> >> responded to by a human can be automated fairly quickly, and hooked

> >> into any dashboard or automated notification system to ensure that

> >> LIRs are aware of problems before Afrinic needs to get involved.

> >>

> >> In the bigger scheme of things, this policy is more likely to save

> >> resources rather than waste them.? If you've ever been on the

> >> receiving end of things you'll know exactly what I mean.

> >>

> >> Kind Regards,

> >> Jaco

> >>

> >> On 2020/09/17 11:44, Precious Paul wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>> As mentioned in the above points the resources poured into this new

> >>> version of the policy? would most likely lead to a huge waste of

> >>> resources, which could and should be used at other policies and

> >>> parts of the organization

> >>>

> >>> Best Regards,

> >>> Precious Paul.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:19 AM lucilla fornaro

> >>> <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com

> >>> <mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>     Dear all,

> >>>

> >>>     I have some concerns about the ?Abuse Contact Policy?.

> >>>     First of all, it does not offer a specific and regulated

> >>>     description of the term ?abuse? ?and this opens the door to

> >>>     potentially bigger problems: a surplus of reports,

> >>>     discrimination/legal issues, and a waste of resources. Around

> >>>     the world, we can perceive what abuse is in very different ways.

> >>>

> >>>     Afrinic is not entitled to force members to report abuses and

> >>>     most importantly, this proposal does not represent Afrinic?s

> >>>     purpose.

> >>>

> >>>     I, therefore, oppose this policy.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>     Thank you,

> >>>

> >>>     Lucilla

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