[rpd] Abuse Contact Policy

[Lamiaa Chnayti]

Hello,


I will have to agree with Lucilla on what she said and would like to
add to it that :

Firstly, Abuse enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.

Secondly, RIRs have no ability to define what is “abuse”, one abuse or
even criminal activity could be entirely a legal operation in a
different jurisdiction.

Finally, making a member forcefully reply to abuse contact Emails are
a waste of resources and totally pointless, it is entirely up to the
member to define what they think is acceptable in their network
operation and how they react to it. AFRINIC has no mandate to force
any member to reply to an “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t even have the
ability to identify what is considered an abuse.

Therefore the entire policy is out of scope for the RIR operation.


Regards,


Lamiaa








Le jeu. 17 sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
a écrit :


> Hi Lucilla,

>

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> Today we already have mnt-IRT, and everybody who operate networks

> understand what it is an abuse. If you operate networks you know that *

> *anything** which is a non-authorized use of a network is an abuse.

>

>

>

> If you send spam, attack networks, try to intrude networks, etc., all

> those are abuse.

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>

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> What the policy ask is to make sure that in AFRINIC everybody has an abuse

> contact (today we have mnt-IRT, but is not mandatory, and as a results many

> African networks are filtered because lack of that – and consequently they

> do not respond to abuse cases -, which exist in all the other regions of

> the world).

>

>

>

> Not having an abuse means more chances of legal actions, more cost, for

> both the victims and the ISPs. Having that means that you have more chances

> to resolve it in goodfaith.

>

>

>

> One of the **most important** Afrinic missions is to have accuracy on the

> database, which includes accuracy on the contacts. We are not fulfilling

> that in this situation.

>

>

>

> Remember that **all** the other RIRs have already this kind of policy.

> This one is like the one that has been implemented in APNIC, and the

> accuracy of the contacts is now 87.5% as reported this month in the last

> APNIC meeting. In that report **none** of the members indicated any of

> the issues that you indicated (didn't happened as well in the other

> regions).

>

>

>

> You know who is interested in not having abuse contacts? Those that use

> their networks for doing abuse (hijacking, spam, DoS, intrusions, etc.).

>

>

>

> Can you explain if the network that you operate has an abuse contact an

> how if one of your customes is trying to penetrate my network or do a DoS,

> I will be able to contact you and if you will do anything or just ignore it?

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

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> El 17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro" <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>

> escribió:

>

>

>

> Dear all,

>

>

>

> I have some concerns about the “Abuse Contact Policy”.

>

> First of all, it does not offer a specific and regulated description of

> the term “abuse”  and this opens the door to potentially bigger problems: a

> surplus of reports, discrimination/legal issues, and a waste of resources.

> Around the world, we can perceive what abuse is in very different ways.

>

>

>

> Afrinic is not entitled to force members to report abuses and most

> importantly, this proposal does not represent Afrinic’s purpose.

>

>

>

> I, therefore, oppose this policy.

>

>

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>

>

> Thank you,

>

>

>

> Lucilla

>

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