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[rpd] Policy Compliance Dashboard

Mark Elkins mje at posix.co.za
Thu Sep 17 08:12:11 UTC 2020


I agree with this policy (and as such, with Jordi). Automation is almost
always a good thing. I also try and automate as much as possible so I
get just get notified by exceptions - so I do less work - and have a
better system. Being a good citizen of AFRINIC, I'd much prefer finding
out something I am not complying with via an automated system rather
than having AFRINIC staff wasting their time in talking to me about my
problem. When such a problem is reported to me, I expect it will also
point to appropriate solutions. I can then get on and quietly fix the
problem.

On 2020/09/17 09:56, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

>

> Hi Marius,

>

> The policy doesn’t change how AFRINIC operate the services, just

> improve them, and what is more important, tell AFRINIC, “you should

> automate it as much as possible” and it is in the benefit of the

> community (which is what is the PDP is for) because it provides

> automated reports and notifications.

>

> To prove that your point is not necessarily correct, some folks had

> the opinion, when I presented the M&A proposal in the previous

> meeting, that it was an “operational” issue. Now you agree with me

> that it is a policy thing. It all depends on which lenses you look at

> it, but the point is that the board has the last word. If the board

> believes it an operational issue, then they will bring back the

> proposal to the discussion or even suggest that we withdraw it.

>

> Objecting with a personal opinion (“it is operational”) is not a valid

> objection. Otherwise, anyone can object to **any** policy proposal.

>

> Same with the cost, can you demonstarte what is the cost of doing

> manually this vs automating it? Just to prove your point. And again

> note that if the cost were an issue AFRINIC will tell us in the impact

> analysis “this is going to double our buget, we will need 1.000 more

> members, or increase the fees to pay for it”, which they didn’t told.

> They just talked about more resources to develop it (once), which

> needs to be compensated with the savings once implemented (forever!).

>

> And as I already explained, the implementation can be done step by

> step, not all the CPM in a single shoot, so the resources can be split

> across several months or even years.

>

> Last but not least AFRINIC board has to ratify the policy. That’s why

> cost is not part of the PDP discussion, because the cost is

> membership, not community and the board can bring back the policy to

> discussion if the cost is not acceptable for the membership.

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

> El 17/9/20 9:34, "Marius Andioc via RPD" <rpd at afrinic.net

> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> escribió:

>

> Hi Frank,

>

> Sorry I should have maybe translated it in both languages! Here is my

> point (Answering to previous messages) :

>

> I oppose this policy for two reasons.

>

> Regarding the nature of this proposal, it's just an operation measure,

> a decision about how Afrinic operate and provides service. I believe

> this is not part of our prerogatives and we should focus on actual

> policies, not deal with Afrinic's services/products. Deciding whether

> we should transfer or not, how we should proceed with M&A or the

> election process are policies, this dashboard is a service, not part

> of internet governance.

>

> Concerning the cost issue, I think contrary to what some have raised,

> it is very much part of the issue. Rather than saying that it's too

> costly or that it's absolute cost is too high, it's about a

> cost/benefits point of view that this policy is not worth it. Benefits

> are minor or at least not proven to be more than something close to 0

> as Afrinic is already doing the job. If the policy was free of our

> constraint and we just had to tick a box on an app almost no one would

> oppose it (even if results are 0 it wouldn't cost any time, money,

> energy), but it's not the case. And opting for a policy that has a

> cost is also potentially depriving us of another one over time, it's

> just about avoiding waste in a policy that doesn't have much benefits.

>

> I hope this clarify things?

>

> Thank you for your question, I'll try to send my messages in both

> languages as possible!

>

> Have an excellent day,

>

> Marius

>

> Le 17 sept. 2020 14:25, Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz> a écrit :

>

> Hi,

>

> If I understand right (Google translate...), then you say that

> - it is not for this PDWG, but AfriNIC staff internally to decide

> - given funds, time and practical possibility, you support this to be

>    done

>

> right?

>

> Thanks,

> Frank

>

> On 17/09/2020 04:35, Marius Andioc via RPD wrote:

> > Bonjour,

> >

> > Concernant le coût, je pense qu'au contraire celui-ci doit

> rentrer en

> > ligne de compte. Le principe d'un choix, d'un trade off, est que

> nous

> > aurons à choisir une politique plutôt qu'une autre (si ce n'est pas

> > immédiat c'est un choix entre cette politique aujourd'hui et une

> autre

> > demain).

> > Les moyens d'AFRINIC ne sont pas illimités, nous avons tout

> intérêt à

> > choisir avec prudence ce qui est réalisé. Ici plus que le coût de

> > manière absolue, c'est le rapport coût/0 ou très peu de bénéfice qui

> > m'évoque un simple gaspillage (de temps, de moyens et d'énergie, pas

> > uniquement une question de coût chiffré).

> > Pour résumer : le coût en lui même n'est pas tant un problème,

> mais le

> > rapport coût / bénéfice en est un. Si cette politique ne nécessitait

> > qu'une case à cocher dans une application pour se réaliser il

> n'y aurait

> > pas ou peu d'opposition.

> > Je souhaite enfin rajouter que les modalités opérationnelles et les

> > services d'AFRINIC ne sont pas de notre ressort. Nous devons nous

> > concentrer sur son rôle: celui de registre. Cette proposition

> n'est pas

> > une politique mais une proposition opérationnelle et elle n'a

> donc pas

> > grand chose à faire ici.

> >

> > Je vous souhaite une excellente journée,

> >

> > Marius Andioc

> >

> > Le 16 sept. 2020 22:58, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD

> <rpd at afrinic.net> a

> > écrit :

> >

> >     The RSA is an overall umbrella set by the members, and is

> not complete.

> >

> >

> >

> >     The PDP is a higher-level set by the community, as complete

> as we wish.

> >

> >

> >

> >     I think many participants still get confused with that. The PDP

> >     state what rules the community want to be followed,

> verified, etc.

> >

> >

> >

> >     The PDP affects **all**, while the RSA only affects members.

> >

> >

> >

> >     The community is on **top** of the membership. So, the

> community is

> >     free to agree on rules **over the RSA**, especially when the

> RSA is

> >     not sufficiently clear.

> >

> >

> >

> >     And one more point that I was not able to respond in the

> chat. The

> >     PDP, and thus the policy proposals, can’t consider **cost** (I

> >     disagree that this will be a too high cost), because the

> cost is a

> >     matter of the membership. This is why the **board** must

> ratify a

> >     policy once it reaches consensus, because if the board

> believes that

> >     the cost is too high (vs the benefits), they can bring the

> proposal

> >     back to discussion to the community. So “cost” (especially

> if not

> >     demonstrated), can’t be accepted as a valid objection towards

> >     consensus. Otherwise, **any** member can block **any**

> proposal from

> >     the community **because of cost** (even if untrue)!

> >

> >

> >

> >     Regards,

> >

> >     Jordi

> >

> >     @jordipalet

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >     El 16/9/20 15:44, "Eucharia Maryann" <eucharianene at gmail.com

> >     <mailto:eucharianene at gmail.com>> escribió:

> >

> >

> >

> >     AFRINIC services are provided to members under the umbrella

> of the

> >     RSA mandate, which in turn ask for compliance with policies.

> >

> >     Those policies are documented in the CPM, which is continuously

> >     updated by the PDP.

> >

> >     If the above actually already exist in the RSA and in the

> CPM, then

> >     what's the essence of this policy or is it that we love

> repeating

> >     same thing all the time or we are just interested in having

> so many

> >     duplicated policies and rules.

> >

> >     Please I cannot see the relevance of this policy. Thanks

> >

> >     Simply Eucharia.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >         From: "1mgirlieadezpet at gmail.com

> > <mailto:1mgirlieadezpet at gmail.com>" <1mgirlieadezpet at gmail.com

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> > <mailto:gabyginernetwork at gmail.com>" <gabyginernetwork at gmail.com

> > <mailto:gabyginernetwork at gmail.com>>, JORDI

> >                 PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es

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> >         Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>"

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> >         Dear all,This "POLICY COMPLIANCE DASHBOARD" seems to me

> a case

> >         of misplaced priorities. It will surely lead to

> complexities and

> >         unnecessary dissipation of energy and limited resources

> because

> >         AFRINIC? should already be keeping track of the policy

> >         violation.?In essence, I DO NOT see the purpose of such

> policy

> >         here. Therefore, I DO NOT SUPPORT it. Thank you.

> >         Adepetun OluwaseunSystem Analyst & ProgrammerEPETUKU

> >         TECHNOLOGIESAbuja, Nigeria

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