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[Onigbinde Abdulahi Olamide]

I support Benjamin

Regards,
Onigbinde Abdulahi

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 8:13 PM Benjamin Investor <investor0189 at gmail.com>
wrote:


> Dear Jordi,

> Thank you for your email. Thank you for mentioning the fact that election

> is a community issue. The board has no role in PDP process execpt to

> approve the final proposal sent to them by the chairs. what process is the

> board setting up?  We need to be very careful here.  Today you are

> proposing that the board should dictate how PDWG election should be

> conducted so that your proposal that was unanimously rejected be passed

> through the back door. Untill when the process is passed by the community

> it cannot be implemented.

> What I can see here is an attempt by AFRINIC to connive with Jordi and his

> friends to pass a policy unanimously rejected by the community through the

> back door in the name of COVID 19. Online elections are allowed by the

> current policy but it must be carried out as specified in the election

> guideline circulated when we opened nomination and the current policy.

> Jodie you said the PDP does not tell us how to conduct elections. Can you

> answer the following questions

> 1. Who has the power to varry the PDP process. Has the CEO and the board

> carried the co chairs along in these process.? If yes then they should come

> out and tell us that they are varring the process.

> 2. Does the PDP define who the members of the PDWG are

> 3. Does the PDP tell us who are the members of the WG who can elect the

> chair?

> Please read the policy manual and answer these questions honestly.

> I think the co chairs needs to come out and tell us the correct position

> of things.

>

> Co chairs, it is your responsibility to determine how the election is

> going to be conducted. You have the sole right to varry the process. Please

> do not allow the likes of Jordi to come and carry out a coup here. Your job

> is to guide the community as dictated by the policy manual. Co chairs you

> can't sit on the fence on this issue cos it's an attempt to ridicle the PDP

> process through the back door.

>

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 4:50 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> wrote:

>

>> Hi Benjamin,

>>

>>

>>

>> There is something that you’re probably missing.

>>

>>

>>

>> The PDP is short in the elections. The PDP doesn't state how the

>> elections are done, only a very generic framework, so in that case all is

>> up to the Board.

>>

>>

>>

>> The Board decided at some point to setup a process, and consequently the

>> board is the one to modify the process.

>>

>>

>>

>> While I agree that this process should be managed by the community, in

>> this situation we can’t do that, so we should keep the process in the way

>> the Board decided and work towards a real community decided process.

>>

>>

>>

>> This is why, without having the crystal ball and consequently not knowing

>> about the coming Covid-19 pandemic, in November 2019, we started to work in

>> a complete proposal for this “*Chairs Elections Process*”:

>>

>>

>>

>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-007-d1#proposal

>>

>>

>>

>> The authors are right now working in updating this proposal, so I will

>> suggest that we could invest some time in discussing it, so we can send a

>> new version in a few days.

>>

>>

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Jordi

>>

>> @jordipalet

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> El 6/8/20 17:33, "Benjamin Investor" <investor0189 at gmail.com> escribió:

>>

>>

>>

>> Dear CEO,

>>

>> Thank you for the email and the wonderful job you have been doing since

>> appointed. However regarding your email, I totally disagree with you based

>> on the following

>>

>> 1. The guiding book of PDWG is the CPM and not the CEO's decision.

>>

>> 2. The CPM is clear on who is a member of the PDWG. The CPM states

>> clearly that Any person who has joined the making list is a member of if

>> the working group.

>>

>> 3. The CPM is also clear the chair is elected by members of the working

>> group.

>>

>> 4. There is no where in the CPM where there is a 6 months rule on voting

>> therefore the rule cannot be created now. You cannot change the goalpost at

>> the middle of the game. The election guideline issues at the time of

>> nomination process is very clear as to how the election would take place.

>> This is by shoe of hand. Show of hand can also be done online

>>

>> 5. How can the AFRNIC determine that the increase in mailing list is

>> because of elections. We all know that as a result of COVID 19 everyone is

>> now moving online are you saying we would not deny this people the option

>> to vote? We definitely cannot do that. For example I have been on the

>> mailing list in the past and I opted out because of all the confusing and

>> abuse always happening and I joined back again last week are you now going

>> to deny me  and others like me the opportunity to vote? This seams like an

>> attempt by AFRINIC to rig the election in favour of the some groups.

>>

>> 6. You made reference to other RIR can you please mention one RIR that

>> has the 6 months rule in place before Thier online election. ?

>>

>> 7. I think AFRINIC needs to be careful. AFRINIC staff is expected to be

>> neutral in all cases and if Afrinic staff are now judging new members as to

>> Thier motive of joining the WG this is not ideal.

>>

>> Thank you

>>

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